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		<title>By: Hearing Visitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2009/04/20/segregation-between-deaf-kids-at-deaf-and-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-16298</link>
		<dc:creator>Hearing Visitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;MZ and Deaf Pundit have it right on. This fight doesn’t belong on public property.&quot;

THIS.  Seperating them for the classes is one thing, but having teachers enforce who can be friends with whom?

Unfortunately, I can easily believe it.  My brother - who has severe emotional problems, but no cognitive ones - was placed in the special ed class, and at lunch they were all required to sit together and he was strictly not allowed to go off and talk to his friends from other classes.  He had nothing in common with his classmates either, every one of them had severe mental handicaps but no emotional problems - though to be fair to the school, I get that they just had nowhere else to PUT him.  But enforcing this weird us vs. them mentality during the kids&#039; own time only taught him to resent everyone involved.  It was a downright disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MZ and Deaf Pundit have it right on. This fight doesn’t belong on public property.&#8221;</p>
<p>THIS.  Seperating them for the classes is one thing, but having teachers enforce who can be friends with whom?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I can easily believe it.  My brother &#8211; who has severe emotional problems, but no cognitive ones &#8211; was placed in the special ed class, and at lunch they were all required to sit together and he was strictly not allowed to go off and talk to his friends from other classes.  He had nothing in common with his classmates either, every one of them had severe mental handicaps but no emotional problems &#8211; though to be fair to the school, I get that they just had nowhere else to PUT him.  But enforcing this weird us vs. them mentality during the kids&#8217; own time only taught him to resent everyone involved.  It was a downright disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Alf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 03:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Segregation seemed like a way of life in the 80s for me.  You&#039;re guaranteed a better chance of educating yourself in the hearing-based classrooms but it&#039;s like russian roulette without an interpreter.  
In Wisconsin Lions Camp, they also segregated the deaf and hard of hearing kids (orally-raised) and that was no fun for me being subjected to a category.  
Even in the ASL (formerly signed English) based education growing up in the deaf institution, the community is still biased among the deaf and hard of hearings.  We&#039;re still living in the same ignorance among the other form of ignorance that&#039;s directed toward our African-American president.  If it&#039;s not in the norm, then it must be crucified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Segregation seemed like a way of life in the 80s for me.  You&#8217;re guaranteed a better chance of educating yourself in the hearing-based classrooms but it&#8217;s like russian roulette without an interpreter.<br />
In Wisconsin Lions Camp, they also segregated the deaf and hard of hearing kids (orally-raised) and that was no fun for me being subjected to a category.<br />
Even in the ASL (formerly signed English) based education growing up in the deaf institution, the community is still biased among the deaf and hard of hearings.  We&#8217;re still living in the same ignorance among the other form of ignorance that&#8217;s directed toward our African-American president.  If it&#8217;s not in the norm, then it must be crucified.</p>
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		<title>By: Mishka Zena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mishka Zena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Kat&#039;s Mom, Why were these programs placed in the same bldg? My guess would be due to a lack of available facilities elsewhere. 

This issue with a particular Deaf school had been resolved. The oral program will be relocated to a nearby hearing elementary school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Kat&#8217;s Mom, Why were these programs placed in the same bldg? My guess would be due to a lack of available facilities elsewhere. </p>
<p>This issue with a particular Deaf school had been resolved. The oral program will be relocated to a nearby hearing elementary school.</p>
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		<title>By: Mishka Zena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mishka Zena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally understand and I don&#039;t blame you. I was floored when I learned about this development several months ago. 

Feel free to use the quote in your research paper 

What a pleasant coincidence :D  Mishka (with a k) is actually the name of my doberman and Zena my cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally understand and I don&#8217;t blame you. I was floored when I learned about this development several months ago. </p>
<p>Feel free to use the quote in your research paper </p>
<p>What a pleasant coincidence <img src='http://www.mishkazena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Mishka (with a k) is actually the name of my doberman and Zena my cat.</p>
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		<title>By: misha</title>
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		<dc:creator>misha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not going to comment on the topic because i will get to &quot;riled up&quot; over the matter, to say least... and i haven&#039;t enough time for such things just now.  :)  Mishka zena (very interesting name, and strange that i should stumble across it... it actually combines mine with my son&#039;s), I was wondering if you would mind if i quote you for a research paper I&#039;m writing on Deaf education.  Please get back to me soon, if you wouldn&#039;t mind. :) Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not going to comment on the topic because i will get to &#8220;riled up&#8221; over the matter, to say least&#8230; and i haven&#8217;t enough time for such things just now.  <img src='http://www.mishkazena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Mishka zena (very interesting name, and strange that i should stumble across it&#8230; it actually combines mine with my son&#8217;s), I was wondering if you would mind if i quote you for a research paper I&#8217;m writing on Deaf education.  Please get back to me soon, if you wouldn&#8217;t mind. <img src='http://www.mishkazena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Kat's Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Kat's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is happening at my daughter&#039;s school, for a very logical reason. Oral schools emphasis speaking and listening. Their end goal is mainstreaming the kids. They want the kids to interact with good language role models with age appropriate spoken language skills. You find those kids at a hearing school.

My daughter&#039;s school is completely self contained. ASL must be used for ALL interactions on campus. 

How are you going to have those schools in the same building? It doesn&#039;t make sense. They should be seperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is happening at my daughter&#8217;s school, for a very logical reason. Oral schools emphasis speaking and listening. Their end goal is mainstreaming the kids. They want the kids to interact with good language role models with age appropriate spoken language skills. You find those kids at a hearing school.</p>
<p>My daughter&#8217;s school is completely self contained. ASL must be used for ALL interactions on campus. </p>
<p>How are you going to have those schools in the same building? It doesn&#8217;t make sense. They should be seperate.</p>
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		<title>By: Segregation Between Deaf Kids at Deaf and Public Schools - AllDeaf.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Segregation Between Deaf Kids at Deaf and Public Schools - AllDeaf.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stanelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with using another language to put another person down.  I totally misinterpreted what &quot;Response To Boutcher&quot; said and I apologize to &quot;Response&quot; for that.

I agree 100% with the idea that it is wrong to separate signing Deaf Children from any orally trained deaf children. This action violates the Civil Rights of all of the children.

As to the French poem,

..La Chanson De La Pluie&quot;..which I quoted..,&quot;..it goes:

&quot;Il pleure dans mon coeur..
Come il pleure sur la ville.

Quelle est cette langeur..
Qui penetre mon coeur?&quot;

&quot;It rains in my heart as it rains on the city.
What is the sadness that penetrates my heart?&quot;

I guess what has penetrated my heart,..in an old woman like me,..is the fact that deaf children..still aren&#039;t being given equal acess to all forms of language training.  and to me,..learning a language and teaching hearing parents the reason that ANY form of language must be taught to their deaf children at an early age..is a priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with using another language to put another person down.  I totally misinterpreted what &#8220;Response To Boutcher&#8221; said and I apologize to &#8220;Response&#8221; for that.</p>
<p>I agree 100% with the idea that it is wrong to separate signing Deaf Children from any orally trained deaf children. This action violates the Civil Rights of all of the children.</p>
<p>As to the French poem,</p>
<p>..La Chanson De La Pluie&#8221;..which I quoted..,&#8221;..it goes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Il pleure dans mon coeur..<br />
Come il pleure sur la ville.</p>
<p>Quelle est cette langeur..<br />
Qui penetre mon coeur?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It rains in my heart as it rains on the city.<br />
What is the sadness that penetrates my heart?&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess what has penetrated my heart,..in an old woman like me,..is the fact that deaf children..still aren&#8217;t being given equal acess to all forms of language training.  and to me,..learning a language and teaching hearing parents the reason that ANY form of language must be taught to their deaf children at an early age..is a priority.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correctious of spelling error..&quot;comprenez-vous&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correctious of spelling error..&#8221;comprenez-vous&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stanelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Separating ASL using Deaf children from any other deaf children,..especially from orally trained children is just plain WRONG as far as I am concerned.  this is an important civil rights issue and I think that it does need to be discussed.

This is in response to &quot;Responsr To Boutcher,&quot;

....so if a person with hearing loss..uses words of another language,...they are being &quot;pretentious?&quot;

&quot;Que faites-vous ici? Que pensez-vous?  Pensez-vous cette femme ne comprend pas une autre langue?
Ne omprennez-vous pas: 

Puto ergo sum?&quot;

Errrrm!  A human being is not able to &quot;putare&quot; without access to language and appropriate language training,..which I do believe,..should include early on,the signed languages,..the manual languages,..for all children with hearing loss of any kind.

and to make those words true in any language,..a person needs to learn a language so as to instill the idea of language in that persons head early on because a person without language is..&quot;hardly a person at all!&quot;

Oralism,..exclusive oral training DETRACTS from a child&#039;s ability,..I do believe,..to learn a language at an appropriately young age.

I should know,..I worked with &quot;oral rejects&quot; in two Ohio mental institutions and the worst trauma given to those children and their ability to learn any language at all was the trauma that they had picked up in &quot;oral exclusive&quot; classrooms.

As for pretentiousness,

....&quot;Il pleure dans mon coeur..Comme il pleur sur la ville...par terre et sur les toits!&quot;

Struts off full of &quot;pretense.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Separating ASL using Deaf children from any other deaf children,..especially from orally trained children is just plain WRONG as far as I am concerned.  this is an important civil rights issue and I think that it does need to be discussed.</p>
<p>This is in response to &#8220;Responsr To Boutcher,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;.so if a person with hearing loss..uses words of another language,&#8230;they are being &#8220;pretentious?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Que faites-vous ici? Que pensez-vous?  Pensez-vous cette femme ne comprend pas une autre langue?<br />
Ne omprennez-vous pas: </p>
<p>Puto ergo sum?&#8221;</p>
<p>Errrrm!  A human being is not able to &#8220;putare&#8221; without access to language and appropriate language training,..which I do believe,..should include early on,the signed languages,..the manual languages,..for all children with hearing loss of any kind.</p>
<p>and to make those words true in any language,..a person needs to learn a language so as to instill the idea of language in that persons head early on because a person without language is..&#8221;hardly a person at all!&#8221;</p>
<p>Oralism,..exclusive oral training DETRACTS from a child&#8217;s ability,..I do believe,..to learn a language at an appropriately young age.</p>
<p>I should know,..I worked with &#8220;oral rejects&#8221; in two Ohio mental institutions and the worst trauma given to those children and their ability to learn any language at all was the trauma that they had picked up in &#8220;oral exclusive&#8221; classrooms.</p>
<p>As for pretentiousness,</p>
<p>&#8230;.&#8221;Il pleure dans mon coeur..Comme il pleur sur la ville&#8230;par terre et sur les toits!&#8221;</p>
<p>Struts off full of &#8220;pretense.&#8221;</p>
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