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		<title>By: Brittani</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/14/why-is-asl-a-dirty-word/comment-page-1/#comment-5203</link>
		<dc:creator>Brittani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mishka Zena! My Name is brittani and i am hearing, but i want to learn more about the deaf that had to struggle like you (people who were not allowed to learn ASL as a child) Im writing a research paper for my ASL class about this very topic. My Boyfriend&#039;s Aunt also learned ASL at a older age. forced to read lips and attend hearing schools struggling to keep up at times in class. if you know anyone that i may beable to interview or even maybe you that would be great! please have them e-mail. Or even if they would like to just tell me thier story i would very much appriciate it. Thank You for your time! :) -Brittani</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mishka Zena! My Name is brittani and i am hearing, but i want to learn more about the deaf that had to struggle like you (people who were not allowed to learn ASL as a child) Im writing a research paper for my ASL class about this very topic. My Boyfriend&#8217;s Aunt also learned ASL at a older age. forced to read lips and attend hearing schools struggling to keep up at times in class. if you know anyone that i may beable to interview or even maybe you that would be great! please have them e-mail. Or even if they would like to just tell me thier story i would very much appriciate it. Thank You for your time! <img src='http://www.mishkazena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  -Brittani</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I think ASL is wonderful.  I understand what you mean when you say that as Americans we look down on people who speak another language.  I am Hispanic and growing up with exposure to many languages (my brother speaks Italian, my mother and father Spanish, my aunt Japanese and my sister in law German and French) I grew up respecting the ability to communicate with many people and thought of it as only an advantage.  When I found out me and my wife were going to have a child we decided to use sign language and our only qualm with ASL is that we didn&#039;t learn it sooner.  I find that more and more people are becoming familiar with it and honestly most of the people I know who speak it aren&#039;t deaf at all.  It does make me happy knowing I can help someone who may be at a disadvantage otherwise and from what I can tell is ASL only strengthened my son&#039;s ability to comprehend and learn oral words and speech. He isn&#039;t deaf, but I am amazed to see that he is more aware of people and associations with gestures.  I truly thing ASL is wonderful and the only reason I can see for someone to criticize it is if they haven&#039;t tried it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I think ASL is wonderful.  I understand what you mean when you say that as Americans we look down on people who speak another language.  I am Hispanic and growing up with exposure to many languages (my brother speaks Italian, my mother and father Spanish, my aunt Japanese and my sister in law German and French) I grew up respecting the ability to communicate with many people and thought of it as only an advantage.  When I found out me and my wife were going to have a child we decided to use sign language and our only qualm with ASL is that we didn&#8217;t learn it sooner.  I find that more and more people are becoming familiar with it and honestly most of the people I know who speak it aren&#8217;t deaf at all.  It does make me happy knowing I can help someone who may be at a disadvantage otherwise and from what I can tell is ASL only strengthened my son&#8217;s ability to comprehend and learn oral words and speech. He isn&#8217;t deaf, but I am amazed to see that he is more aware of people and associations with gestures.  I truly thing ASL is wonderful and the only reason I can see for someone to criticize it is if they haven&#8217;t tried it.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah-- Don&#039;t get me wrong.  My teacher is WONDERFUL.  She grew was born Deaf, was mainstreamed, but started signing as a child.  There is no talking in my community college class and the teacher is well-entrenched in the Deaf community.  It&#039;s not really about the instruction.  It&#039;s just that she has a lesson plan and she clips along with 40-50 students who are Hearing.  None of them have the same needs as me.  I have a lot of questions and needs because I need to use ASL right now in my home TODAY.  She just can&#039;t give me her undivided attention the way a social support professional could.

It&#039;s not about quality of instruction-- though I agree there are good and bad instructors out there.  It&#039;s mostly that I think those of us who are late-deafened or parents of Deaf children need more individualized instruction than a Community College setting where we&#039;re doing busy homework type stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah&#8211; Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  My teacher is WONDERFUL.  She grew was born Deaf, was mainstreamed, but started signing as a child.  There is no talking in my community college class and the teacher is well-entrenched in the Deaf community.  It&#8217;s not really about the instruction.  It&#8217;s just that she has a lesson plan and she clips along with 40-50 students who are Hearing.  None of them have the same needs as me.  I have a lot of questions and needs because I need to use ASL right now in my home TODAY.  She just can&#8217;t give me her undivided attention the way a social support professional could.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about quality of instruction&#8211; though I agree there are good and bad instructors out there.  It&#8217;s mostly that I think those of us who are late-deafened or parents of Deaf children need more individualized instruction than a Community College setting where we&#8217;re doing busy homework type stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I run into- classes offered at the community college level aren&#039;t geared for parents with small children, and there is no other avenue in most communities for learning ASL. It is impossible to learn ASL from books and videos, since the language is far more complex than learning a set of basic signs. From videos and ASL websites, I have a very limited sign vocabulary with no understanding of grammar. I plan on taking an ASL course at the local community college, but my hopes aren&#039;t held very high for the quality of instruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I run into- classes offered at the community college level aren&#8217;t geared for parents with small children, and there is no other avenue in most communities for learning ASL. It is impossible to learn ASL from books and videos, since the language is far more complex than learning a set of basic signs. From videos and ASL websites, I have a very limited sign vocabulary with no understanding of grammar. I plan on taking an ASL course at the local community college, but my hopes aren&#8217;t held very high for the quality of instruction.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeanette and Leah both make good points.  Those who WANT to learn often find a difficult time finding appropriate instruction, because the community colleges are geared toward people interested in becoming interpreters or fulfilling their language credit requirements-- not towards people who are going deaf or living with a deaf child.

These are NOT appropriate classes for either the late-deafened or parents of Deaf children who want to learn ASL.  We need to use this language right now in our homes TODAY.  We come to class with so many questions. It is an interruption to the class for me to keep asking questions during class when they need to get through a lesson plan.

My first ASL class focused a lot on work environments for some reason.  I learned how to sign &quot;You&#039;re improving.&quot;  &quot;This is our schedule.&quot;
&quot;You&#039;re hired!&quot; None of this applied to my daily life, and it wouldn&#039;t apply to either of these two moms who need to know how to sign to their toddlers.

At the community college where I&#039;m currently taking classes, none of these people are that interested in practicing outside of school.  ASL is just one class to them.  Deafness isn&#039;t their life.  They can hear.  So again it&#039;s not the best place for me to learn, but I am learning slowly.  Also the college classes require a lot of busy work type homework.  For example, I&#039;m auditing my grade, but if I weren&#039;t I would have to write several reports--one would be on the history of hearing aids.  This is soooooo unnecessary and NOT appropriate.  I have worn hearing aids for years, but the class is geared toward people who have never had any exposure at all to anyone or anything related to deafness/Deaf culture or hearing loss.

I had to get special permission to audit the class--- and then it&#039;s a hassle to register every quarter because my pre-requisites don&#039;t show up on my transcript.  I have to get special permission again every time I want to register for the next level--EVERY time.  If  I transfer to another school, I&#039;m sunk.  Next quarter I many have to take a credits so it will be on my transcript because I&#039;ll have to transfer to another college since this one only goes so far.  This will mean lots of stupid homework.  I&#039;m fifty-- I work and I have a family.

It&#039;s such a pain to have to jump through all these red-tape community college hoops.

What we need is Deaf people willing to teach ASL one-on-one with families in a more individualized environment.  Professionally.  I don&#039;t want to bug Deaf people to practice with me on their social time.  It&#039;s not fair to them.  But I NEED someone to understand that my deafness is very real, and  and classes geared toward hearing people once or twice a week won&#039;t work because I am no longer hearing.  My needs are much, much different from theirs.  And the needs of parents of Deaf children are more like mine than those in community college.

Sorry for such a long comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanette and Leah both make good points.  Those who WANT to learn often find a difficult time finding appropriate instruction, because the community colleges are geared toward people interested in becoming interpreters or fulfilling their language credit requirements&#8211; not towards people who are going deaf or living with a deaf child.</p>
<p>These are NOT appropriate classes for either the late-deafened or parents of Deaf children who want to learn ASL.  We need to use this language right now in our homes TODAY.  We come to class with so many questions. It is an interruption to the class for me to keep asking questions during class when they need to get through a lesson plan.</p>
<p>My first ASL class focused a lot on work environments for some reason.  I learned how to sign &#8220;You&#8217;re improving.&#8221;  &#8220;This is our schedule.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;re hired!&#8221; None of this applied to my daily life, and it wouldn&#8217;t apply to either of these two moms who need to know how to sign to their toddlers.</p>
<p>At the community college where I&#8217;m currently taking classes, none of these people are that interested in practicing outside of school.  ASL is just one class to them.  Deafness isn&#8217;t their life.  They can hear.  So again it&#8217;s not the best place for me to learn, but I am learning slowly.  Also the college classes require a lot of busy work type homework.  For example, I&#8217;m auditing my grade, but if I weren&#8217;t I would have to write several reports&#8211;one would be on the history of hearing aids.  This is soooooo unnecessary and NOT appropriate.  I have worn hearing aids for years, but the class is geared toward people who have never had any exposure at all to anyone or anything related to deafness/Deaf culture or hearing loss.</p>
<p>I had to get special permission to audit the class&#8212; and then it&#8217;s a hassle to register every quarter because my pre-requisites don&#8217;t show up on my transcript.  I have to get special permission again every time I want to register for the next level&#8211;EVERY time.  If  I transfer to another school, I&#8217;m sunk.  Next quarter I many have to take a credits so it will be on my transcript because I&#8217;ll have to transfer to another college since this one only goes so far.  This will mean lots of stupid homework.  I&#8217;m fifty&#8211; I work and I have a family.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such a pain to have to jump through all these red-tape community college hoops.</p>
<p>What we need is Deaf people willing to teach ASL one-on-one with families in a more individualized environment.  Professionally.  I don&#8217;t want to bug Deaf people to practice with me on their social time.  It&#8217;s not fair to them.  But I NEED someone to understand that my deafness is very real, and  and classes geared toward hearing people once or twice a week won&#8217;t work because I am no longer hearing.  My needs are much, much different from theirs.  And the needs of parents of Deaf children are more like mine than those in community college.</p>
<p>Sorry for such a long comment.</p>
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		<title>By: brenster-</title>
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		<dc:creator>brenster-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo all- not sure if you all were noticing, or not noticing that deaf people are taking actions. for example, dbc just was founded last summer. hey,  it&#039;s a brand new organization and you all are already wanting to rip it apart? why not give encouragement with your support, offer your participation, give your time to do something productive instead of sitting around in front of computer screens moaning and bickering with all negative comments about the deaf community. i noticed some people carried some baggages, and i suggest them to resolve their personal disputes with whoever and do not pull the entire deaf community down for someone&#039;s baggage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo all- not sure if you all were noticing, or not noticing that deaf people are taking actions. for example, dbc just was founded last summer. hey,  it&#8217;s a brand new organization and you all are already wanting to rip it apart? why not give encouragement with your support, offer your participation, give your time to do something productive instead of sitting around in front of computer screens moaning and bickering with all negative comments about the deaf community. i noticed some people carried some baggages, and i suggest them to resolve their personal disputes with whoever and do not pull the entire deaf community down for someone&#8217;s baggage!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read you, DP, in your #15 response.  The problem with public perception of ASL is that it has some unfounded negative notions about sign language to begin with because of a very dominant organization, namely AGBell, which has the deaf communication modes market cornered.

To force change via public policy or laws doesn&#039;t necessarily create positive public acceptance of the change overnight.  For example, it took more years of civil rights protests after the Civil Rights Act became law to get rid of Jim Crow policies.  OTOH marketing can change public acceptance of an idea in a more positive way.

As doctors and audiologists are the first contacts that parents of a deaf child see regarding their child&#039;s deafness, it&#039;s logical to target the doctors/ audiologists first thru ASL and Deaf culture awareness seminars at medical schools, conventions, etc.  There are other targets as well, but this is the first target that I&#039;m thinking about, as one example.  Anne Marie in her above comment said her doctor was informed about ASL and the Deaf culture-- how did he learn of it?

This is what I&#039;ve been saying in some of my blog comments:

Instead of blaming AGBell, the government, or hearing people, or other generalizations, do positive marketing of ASL and its benefits instead.  Leave the anger at home, it tends to cloud the ASL message you want to convey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read you, DP, in your #15 response.  The problem with public perception of ASL is that it has some unfounded negative notions about sign language to begin with because of a very dominant organization, namely AGBell, which has the deaf communication modes market cornered.</p>
<p>To force change via public policy or laws doesn&#8217;t necessarily create positive public acceptance of the change overnight.  For example, it took more years of civil rights protests after the Civil Rights Act became law to get rid of Jim Crow policies.  OTOH marketing can change public acceptance of an idea in a more positive way.</p>
<p>As doctors and audiologists are the first contacts that parents of a deaf child see regarding their child&#8217;s deafness, it&#8217;s logical to target the doctors/ audiologists first thru ASL and Deaf culture awareness seminars at medical schools, conventions, etc.  There are other targets as well, but this is the first target that I&#8217;m thinking about, as one example.  Anne Marie in her above comment said her doctor was informed about ASL and the Deaf culture&#8211; how did he learn of it?</p>
<p>This is what I&#8217;ve been saying in some of my blog comments:</p>
<p>Instead of blaming AGBell, the government, or hearing people, or other generalizations, do positive marketing of ASL and its benefits instead.  Leave the anger at home, it tends to cloud the ASL message you want to convey.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeannette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22

Thank you, Anne Marie. I find the professionals (outside the Deaf school my son attends) are always having to readjust how they talk about my 2.5yo&#039;s language abilities. If he were judged by how much he spoke and auditorially understood, he&#039;d be 6 mos old, but with ASL his language skills are at least age appropriate, if not higher. It becomes so common in parent circles to equate language development and speech/auditory development, which is simply not true in our (bilingual) case. His speech therapist, I think, is intrigued.

that&#039;s amazing that your dr has read ASL/Deaf books. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22</p>
<p>Thank you, Anne Marie. I find the professionals (outside the Deaf school my son attends) are always having to readjust how they talk about my 2.5yo&#8217;s language abilities. If he were judged by how much he spoke and auditorially understood, he&#8217;d be 6 mos old, but with ASL his language skills are at least age appropriate, if not higher. It becomes so common in parent circles to equate language development and speech/auditory development, which is simply not true in our (bilingual) case. His speech therapist, I think, is intrigued.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s amazing that your dr has read ASL/Deaf books. <img src='http://www.mishkazena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anne Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I want to share you a huge piece of news from this morning.

My Deaf son Noam saw his doctor, Dr. Mehl who is a chair of Early Hearing Detection Intervention committee for the Colorado state.  An intern pediatrician was with us.  First thing Dr. Mehl asked, what is Noam&#039;s first sign if he has signed yet?  Wow.  I explained that Noam is still signing prototypical signs.  The doctor expanded on that and explained in more details about ASL language how it differs from English to the intern.  Then he asked us about Noam&#039;s use of digital aids and if he receives speech - auditory stimulation since we all are mostly ASL signers in our house.  I said Noam is wearing high ended digital aids and receives auditory speech training three times a week.  He is now vocalizing with syllables and can articulate few two sounds.  He really enjoy listening to many different music on CD and watch cartoon with aids on.

Then the doctor said he already read books about ASL and Deaf identity issues and gave me his e-mail address for links to Deaf blogs.

This is how things work both ways..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I want to share you a huge piece of news from this morning.</p>
<p>My Deaf son Noam saw his doctor, Dr. Mehl who is a chair of Early Hearing Detection Intervention committee for the Colorado state.  An intern pediatrician was with us.  First thing Dr. Mehl asked, what is Noam&#8217;s first sign if he has signed yet?  Wow.  I explained that Noam is still signing prototypical signs.  The doctor expanded on that and explained in more details about ASL language how it differs from English to the intern.  Then he asked us about Noam&#8217;s use of digital aids and if he receives speech &#8211; auditory stimulation since we all are mostly ASL signers in our house.  I said Noam is wearing high ended digital aids and receives auditory speech training three times a week.  He is now vocalizing with syllables and can articulate few two sounds.  He really enjoy listening to many different music on CD and watch cartoon with aids on.</p>
<p>Then the doctor said he already read books about ASL and Deaf identity issues and gave me his e-mail address for links to Deaf blogs.</p>
<p>This is how things work both ways..</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20.

Research show that it takes a bit longer time for bilingual children to become fluent in two languages than monolingual children.  Bilingual children do mix up rules of both languages for while and at average of about 10 years, they finally smoothen out. In general girls tend to be faster.

It is normal and bilingual children should not never be compared with monolingual in language and literacy development at all.  It is important to be aware of this when you are at an IEP meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20.</p>
<p>Research show that it takes a bit longer time for bilingual children to become fluent in two languages than monolingual children.  Bilingual children do mix up rules of both languages for while and at average of about 10 years, they finally smoothen out. In general girls tend to be faster.</p>
<p>It is normal and bilingual children should not never be compared with monolingual in language and literacy development at all.  It is important to be aware of this when you are at an IEP meeting.</p>
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