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		<title>By: Jimmie Sorrento Jr</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/07/theyre-trying-to-divide-us/comment-page-4/#comment-11128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmie Sorrento Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am hearing impaired...I have serious problems with deaf culture mainly because with my cochlear implant and my hearing aid I can hear without those things I am deaf totally deaf...My frustration with deaf culture is this sadly many totally deaf people can become hearing individuals
I know I make some people upset with my feelings but have experienced many and some radically deaf people once they see my cochlear implant it is like a line drawn in the sand.
Some say learn american sign language sadly in all my relationships I know of no one who signs...Who am I going to sign with&gt;
Some say go totally deaf I just can&#039;t do that I was born hearing and do not wish to change my whole life at this time...If by any chance I do lose more of my hearing then I will contemplate the use of sign language and other means
I also have seen many young very young kids as young as seven months benefit from a cochlear implant...Those kids will never need extra help as they grow older and their options will be far more then the few in the deaf world
Deaf culture is shrinking and it is going to keep on shrinking till many come on board....
This reminds me of the time when the first auto was seen on the roads while most people used horses...I can bet the makers of many buggy whips felt somewhat of a sting no matter how good their buggy whips were...Sadly today the car replaced the buggy whip and horses have become a rarity more seen on ranches then riding down our streets and roads...SAme goes with cochlear implants...One time when I was first implanted a deaf person I talked to on line told me that cochlear implants can kill you?
If they did I am doing fine now and have conversations with many people I would of never been able to...My granddaughter calls me all the time and we talk and I hear her or that bird in the morning sometimes makes noises I would of never heard had I not gotten my implant...
Peace
taximnjim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am hearing impaired&#8230;I have serious problems with deaf culture mainly because with my cochlear implant and my hearing aid I can hear without those things I am deaf totally deaf&#8230;My frustration with deaf culture is this sadly many totally deaf people can become hearing individuals<br />
I know I make some people upset with my feelings but have experienced many and some radically deaf people once they see my cochlear implant it is like a line drawn in the sand.<br />
Some say learn american sign language sadly in all my relationships I know of no one who signs&#8230;Who am I going to sign with&gt;<br />
Some say go totally deaf I just can&#8217;t do that I was born hearing and do not wish to change my whole life at this time&#8230;If by any chance I do lose more of my hearing then I will contemplate the use of sign language and other means<br />
I also have seen many young very young kids as young as seven months benefit from a cochlear implant&#8230;Those kids will never need extra help as they grow older and their options will be far more then the few in the deaf world<br />
Deaf culture is shrinking and it is going to keep on shrinking till many come on board&#8230;.<br />
This reminds me of the time when the first auto was seen on the roads while most people used horses&#8230;I can bet the makers of many buggy whips felt somewhat of a sting no matter how good their buggy whips were&#8230;Sadly today the car replaced the buggy whip and horses have become a rarity more seen on ranches then riding down our streets and roads&#8230;SAme goes with cochlear implants&#8230;One time when I was first implanted a deaf person I talked to on line told me that cochlear implants can kill you?<br />
If they did I am doing fine now and have conversations with many people I would of never been able to&#8230;My granddaughter calls me all the time and we talk and I hear her or that bird in the morning sometimes makes noises I would of never heard had I not gotten my implant&#8230;<br />
Peace<br />
taximnjim</p>
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		<title>By: vickie Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>vickie Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh boy!
That is the first thing that comes in my mind: oh boy! I do not want to start a war and we really dont need a war. I would like to say a few things and then go back to MZ&#039;s original post.
I came a little late for this post and had to catch up by reading 157 posts! Few comments jumped at me:
White Ghost #130&#039;s comment which I must reply to.
How about we just say what we want to say and accept it? For instance,
If i want to spell out Deaf and if you wish to say deaf; then so be it. I will type Deaf and you will type deaf and we should respect other&#039;s preference and leave it alone. This is a same principle as white/black people. If I am talking to my Black friend and I say &quot;you are white, you must accept my opinion,&quot; eh? You and I know know that we cannot change the color of our skin, right? we must accept the difference of our skin and culture!
So bottom-line we should accept other people&#039;s differences. Another point I want to make is: hearing/deaf people are different no matter how deaf we are, whether we like it or not. Each group: deaf and hearing groups have their own dynamics created by family backgrounds, experiences, cultures, etc. which makes each of us unique. It peeves me that we end up divided within our own deaf group because of &quot;trouble-makers&quot;. I risk by being bombarded when i say &quot;trouble-makers&quot; but its true. Some of us ignore the real purpose MZ wants to accomplish. Some people threw in offensive words and brings us far from the main subject MZ wants us to work on.
MZ wants to go ahead and move on and she has stated that numerous times for us to let go and move on to more positive approach. Who cares about ASL, SEE, CI, ORAL, etc. So what!

Lets reread MZ&#039;s orginal post:

They’re Trying To Divide Us
“It is simply few people who are trying to divide us.”


Over the past several weeks, I’ve caught some people commenting on how others tried to divide us. All I could observe is a clash between two different cultures.  Their differences, the products of  diverse upbringing,  don’t indicate that they are “trying to divide the Deaf Community”. The more we try to change people, the more they resist as we all have a fundamental need … to be accepted for what we are, without judgment.

There will always be differences between us…  trying to force us to accept one set of values perceived as better than another set of just causes more friction. It’s just like religion and politics. The more we preach about one religion, the more tuned out the recipient will be. Many times people agree not to talk about politics and religions for a simple reason: The passionate discussions about the differences between us produce negative energy, resulting in combative arguments and angry feelings.  So, yes, focusing on our differences does divide us.

Focusing on our common goals channels our energy toward a positive and productive environment. During the DPN and UfG protests, we put aside our differences to fight for our much beloved alma mater. We can do that again, and work toward common goals… instead of fighting among us due to our differences.

Among us, I see a universal agreement: We all agree that deaf babies should be exposed to sign language .. just like their hearing peers.

Maybe we should start concentrating on what we do have in common and go from there?

P.S. When I mentioned UfG, I meant the unity among the protesters only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh boy!<br />
That is the first thing that comes in my mind: oh boy! I do not want to start a war and we really dont need a war. I would like to say a few things and then go back to MZ&#8217;s original post.<br />
I came a little late for this post and had to catch up by reading 157 posts! Few comments jumped at me:<br />
White Ghost #130&#8242;s comment which I must reply to.<br />
How about we just say what we want to say and accept it? For instance,<br />
If i want to spell out Deaf and if you wish to say deaf; then so be it. I will type Deaf and you will type deaf and we should respect other&#8217;s preference and leave it alone. This is a same principle as white/black people. If I am talking to my Black friend and I say &#8220;you are white, you must accept my opinion,&#8221; eh? You and I know know that we cannot change the color of our skin, right? we must accept the difference of our skin and culture!<br />
So bottom-line we should accept other people&#8217;s differences. Another point I want to make is: hearing/deaf people are different no matter how deaf we are, whether we like it or not. Each group: deaf and hearing groups have their own dynamics created by family backgrounds, experiences, cultures, etc. which makes each of us unique. It peeves me that we end up divided within our own deaf group because of &#8220;trouble-makers&#8221;. I risk by being bombarded when i say &#8220;trouble-makers&#8221; but its true. Some of us ignore the real purpose MZ wants to accomplish. Some people threw in offensive words and brings us far from the main subject MZ wants us to work on.<br />
MZ wants to go ahead and move on and she has stated that numerous times for us to let go and move on to more positive approach. Who cares about ASL, SEE, CI, ORAL, etc. So what!</p>
<p>Lets reread MZ&#8217;s orginal post:</p>
<p>They’re Trying To Divide Us<br />
“It is simply few people who are trying to divide us.”</p>
<p>Over the past several weeks, I’ve caught some people commenting on how others tried to divide us. All I could observe is a clash between two different cultures.  Their differences, the products of  diverse upbringing,  don’t indicate that they are “trying to divide the Deaf Community”. The more we try to change people, the more they resist as we all have a fundamental need … to be accepted for what we are, without judgment.</p>
<p>There will always be differences between us…  trying to force us to accept one set of values perceived as better than another set of just causes more friction. It’s just like religion and politics. The more we preach about one religion, the more tuned out the recipient will be. Many times people agree not to talk about politics and religions for a simple reason: The passionate discussions about the differences between us produce negative energy, resulting in combative arguments and angry feelings.  So, yes, focusing on our differences does divide us.</p>
<p>Focusing on our common goals channels our energy toward a positive and productive environment. During the DPN and UfG protests, we put aside our differences to fight for our much beloved alma mater. We can do that again, and work toward common goals… instead of fighting among us due to our differences.</p>
<p>Among us, I see a universal agreement: We all agree that deaf babies should be exposed to sign language .. just like their hearing peers.</p>
<p>Maybe we should start concentrating on what we do have in common and go from there?</p>
<p>P.S. When I mentioned UfG, I meant the unity among the protesters only.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/07/theyre-trying-to-divide-us/comment-page-4/#comment-5066</link>
		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add, for us to be divided, we would first, HAVE to be united surely ?</description>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/07/theyre-trying-to-divide-us/comment-page-4/#comment-5068</link>
		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this blog was &quot;They are trying to divide us.&quot;  THEY are never really defined, and the problem with that is to allay &#039;blame&#039; which mostly gets directed at the non-ASL or non cultural deaf.

As for &#039;dividing&#039;, what, is to divide ? People sign, people, don&#039;t, people love culture, people can&#039;t see the atttraction or point, people like CI&#039;s others hate them.  Divide ? there would BE none if each respected each others point of view.   How do cultural deaf accept, non-cultural ideals that want the basis of that culture removed ?  i.e. their deafness, and sign replaced ?

No-one is dividing us all, we are entirely different people obviously, who just happen to be deaf as well, who have issues bumping along together !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this blog was &#8220;They are trying to divide us.&#8221;  THEY are never really defined, and the problem with that is to allay &#8216;blame&#8217; which mostly gets directed at the non-ASL or non cultural deaf.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;dividing&#8217;, what, is to divide ? People sign, people, don&#8217;t, people love culture, people can&#8217;t see the atttraction or point, people like CI&#8217;s others hate them.  Divide ? there would BE none if each respected each others point of view.   How do cultural deaf accept, non-cultural ideals that want the basis of that culture removed ?  i.e. their deafness, and sign replaced ?</p>
<p>No-one is dividing us all, we are entirely different people obviously, who just happen to be deaf as well, who have issues bumping along together !</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Boutcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Boutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAD:

There is absolutely nothing wrong about a word, &quot;activist&quot; per se!

Not wanting to be an activist worries me!

I am very proud when one says that I ACTIVELY participate in anti-hunger, anti-poverty, anti-genocide-on-Darfur, anti-Iraqi war rallies here in Washington, D.C. and New York City. Many scholars, including sociologists, philosophers, linguists participate with us. I have never missed seeing the world-famous linguist Noam Chomsky in the rallies with us in DC and NYC.

Being a non-activist is a cardinal sin. Being neutral, indifferent, or apathetic. Dante puts them in the last circle of the Inferno.

Back to square one, it was wrong not to act when we learned that the White House -- through the U.S. Department of Education -- gave an &quot;ineffective&quot; grade to Gallaudet University and an &quot;effective&quot; grade to the NTID. We must ACT to save Gallaudet University.

You hide your head in the sand like an ostrich, refusing to understand the source of a violence. It is the police who make a mountain out of a molehill. Remember a university student who was Taserised for speaking out at Senator Kerry&#039;s lecture. Very matter-of-factly, Kerry told the
police that the activist&#039;s freedom of speech is healthy! Meaning what? Yours is the reversal case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WAD:</p>
<p>There is absolutely nothing wrong about a word, &#8220;activist&#8221; per se!</p>
<p>Not wanting to be an activist worries me!</p>
<p>I am very proud when one says that I ACTIVELY participate in anti-hunger, anti-poverty, anti-genocide-on-Darfur, anti-Iraqi war rallies here in Washington, D.C. and New York City. Many scholars, including sociologists, philosophers, linguists participate with us. I have never missed seeing the world-famous linguist Noam Chomsky in the rallies with us in DC and NYC.</p>
<p>Being a non-activist is a cardinal sin. Being neutral, indifferent, or apathetic. Dante puts them in the last circle of the Inferno.</p>
<p>Back to square one, it was wrong not to act when we learned that the White House &#8212; through the U.S. Department of Education &#8212; gave an &#8220;ineffective&#8221; grade to Gallaudet University and an &#8220;effective&#8221; grade to the NTID. We must ACT to save Gallaudet University.</p>
<p>You hide your head in the sand like an ostrich, refusing to understand the source of a violence. It is the police who make a mountain out of a molehill. Remember a university student who was Taserised for speaking out at Senator Kerry&#8217;s lecture. Very matter-of-factly, Kerry told the<br />
police that the activist&#8217;s freedom of speech is healthy! Meaning what? Yours is the reversal case!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sandman&#8217;s Sandbox &#187; More Thoughts on the Deaf Blogosphere</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/07/theyre-trying-to-divide-us/comment-page-4/#comment-5072</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sandman&#8217;s Sandbox &#187; More Thoughts on the Deaf Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But do we need to obsess about these differences constantly? Mishka Zena recently wrote a succinct post stating that she felt this was not necessary, and I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WAD</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/07/theyre-trying-to-divide-us/comment-page-4/#comment-5071</link>
		<dc:creator>WAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DP, you are right that some of them are very positive.

It&#039;s the impression I receive when reading various news.  For example, Cindy Sheehan.  What people think of her as an activist?  Probably negative especially on how she handled even she&#039;s doing for a good cause.  Believe or not, some terrorists are considered as activists!

I prefer the cooperative movement as they usually does not protest or confront.  There are many different types of activism. There are some approaches I dislike such as violent confrontation and a few others.

Sorry for being off the point, I just want readers to understand my reason for not being comfortable with the word, &quot;activist.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DP, you are right that some of them are very positive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the impression I receive when reading various news.  For example, Cindy Sheehan.  What people think of her as an activist?  Probably negative especially on how she handled even she&#8217;s doing for a good cause.  Believe or not, some terrorists are considered as activists!</p>
<p>I prefer the cooperative movement as they usually does not protest or confront.  There are many different types of activism. There are some approaches I dislike such as violent confrontation and a few others.</p>
<p>Sorry for being off the point, I just want readers to understand my reason for not being comfortable with the word, &#8220;activist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are &#039;activists&#039; and activists I think.  There is always an extreme element, and it the extreme element that triggers 80% of dicussion, not the hard-working who attend meetings, try to get access set up and plod on day in and day out, (The unsung heroes), while the extreme element exists on &#039;sound bites&#039;, and literally, thrive on the D for division.  They are the most adept deaf we have sadly.  &quot;If ONLY..&quot; these people could be pursuaded to get stuck in to the system, instead of shouting outide and rabble-rousing instead.  It&#039;s probably all about ego-building !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are &#8216;activists&#8217; and activists I think.  There is always an extreme element, and it the extreme element that triggers 80% of dicussion, not the hard-working who attend meetings, try to get access set up and plod on day in and day out, (The unsung heroes), while the extreme element exists on &#8216;sound bites&#8217;, and literally, thrive on the D for division.  They are the most adept deaf we have sadly.  &#8220;If ONLY..&#8221; these people could be pursuaded to get stuck in to the system, instead of shouting outide and rabble-rousing instead.  It&#8217;s probably all about ego-building !</p>
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		<title>By: A Deaf Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2008/01/07/theyre-trying-to-divide-us/comment-page-4/#comment-5077</link>
		<dc:creator>A Deaf Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAD, as you know, I&#039;m an advocate, but I am also a Deaf activist. Being an activist doesn&#039;t mean protesting all the time. It means being active in encourage social change. It&#039;s pretty much another word for advocate. It&#039;s just that people tend to connect the word protest when the word activist comes up.

But I don&#039;t think people should fear using the word activist. It does have positivity associated to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WAD, as you know, I&#8217;m an advocate, but I am also a Deaf activist. Being an activist doesn&#8217;t mean protesting all the time. It means being active in encourage social change. It&#8217;s pretty much another word for advocate. It&#8217;s just that people tend to connect the word protest when the word activist comes up.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think people should fear using the word activist. It does have positivity associated to it.</p>
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		<title>By: NotSure</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotSure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand DPN Protest means Deaf President Now.
UFG doesn&#039;t sound like Unity Among Us Protesters but You, Fernandes, Go! Protest.
I enjoyed reading comments and this blog.
Cheers,
NotSure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand DPN Protest means Deaf President Now.<br />
UFG doesn&#8217;t sound like Unity Among Us Protesters but You, Fernandes, Go! Protest.<br />
I enjoyed reading comments and this blog.<br />
Cheers,<br />
NotSure</p>
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