Police Permits Hearing Grandmother Steal Baby from a Deaf Couple
This article leaves me flabbergasted.. that the police department would permit a manipulative hearing relative use their facilities to conduct a serious miscarriage of justice. Hello??? We are talking about the law and order.
This sounds like a perfect recipe how to get a baby, free of charge. You want to kidnap a baby from a deaf couple?
A very easy solution: Call the police and claim that the deaf mom is a danger to herself. The mother gets committed involuntarily to a hospital for a psychiatric evaluation where she gives birth shortly afterwards. For whatever reasons, after the hospital, the couple visit this sick mother who again sic the police on her, alleging that she would harm herself. As a result this poor woman is confined involuntarily again and losing the custody of her baby for three weeks.
Twice the woman is declared psychologically competent and of no danger to herself. The police refuse to let the woman have her baby back… due to two involuntary psychiatric hospitalizations, both created by this very same woman who stole her baby.
This sounds like a good novel based in a communist country as Soviet. Nope, it happens here in America. All because the police, for whatever reason, don’t bother to communicate with deaf parents. Do they think deaf people are mentally retarded with no rights?
This is too frigging unbelievable
Kudos to NAD for going after these idiot people who deprive this woman her rights. By the way, hasn’t the hearing grandmother been charged for ‘filing false claims’? If not, how come?
That mother in law deserves the award for the Worst Mother in Law of the Year Decade Century : X
MZ
From NAD:
December 21, 2007
NAD Files Complaints Against Palmetto General Hospital and the City of Hialeah, Florida
Silver Spring, MD – The National Association of the Deaf (NAD) and the Law Offices of Matthew W. Dietz, P.L., filed two complaints in the United States District Court in Miami, Florida, against the City of Hialeah, Florida, and Palmetto General Hospital alleging their failure to provide qualified sign language interpreter services to ensure effective communication with Cynthia Cuevas and Erik Phillips, a deaf couple.
The complaints allege that when Ms. Cuevas was eight-months pregnant, her mother-in-law called the police and reported that the deaf couple was having a verbal dispute and that Ms. Cuevas did not care for herself or her unborn child. Without a sign language interpreter, Hialeah police were unable to communicate effectively with the deaf couple. Instead, the Hialeah police took Ms. Cuevas to Palmetto General Hospital for an involuntary commitment. The psychological evaluation determined that Ms. Cuevas was not a threat to herself or to others.
Two days after her admission to Palmetto General Hospital, Ms. Cuevas gave birth to a healthy baby boy by cesarean section. Five days later, they were discharged from the hospital. The complaint against Palmetto General Hospital alleges that the hospital failed to provide qualified sign language interpreter services to ensure effective communication with the deaf couple during the seven days that Ms. Cuevas was in the hospital.
“Hospitals are required to provide qualified sign language interpreters when necessary to ensure effective communication for appropriate diagnosis, effective treatment, informed consent, quality health care, and discharge information,” said Michael Stein, an attorney with the NAD Law and Advocacy Center. According to Matthew Dietz, co-counsel for the deaf couple, “Discrimination against the deaf is systemic in Florida. It is difficult for a person who is deaf to find a doctor or a hospital that is willing to provide a qualified sign language interpreter to ensure effective communication – and it is dangerous for both the medical professional and the patient who is deaf not to have a clear understanding of the medical procedures.”
The complaint against the City of Hialeah alleges that, when the deaf couple and their baby left the hospital, they visited the mother-in-law who refused to let the deaf couple take their baby home. The mother-in-law later called the police and reported that Ms. Cuevas wanted to harm herself, the baby, and others. Again without securing a qualified sign language interpreter to ensure effective communication, the Hialeah police took Ms. Cuevas to another hospital for another involuntarily commitment. This psychological evaluation also determined that Ms. Cuevas was not a threat to herself or to others and she was discharged.
The complaint also alleges that the deaf couple received assistance from the Legal Aid Society of Miami to ask the Hialeah police to help them get their baby back from the mother-in-law. Hialeah police refused to return the baby to the deaf couple without a court order because the Hialeah police had transported Ms. Cuevas to the hospital twice for involuntary commitment. During this encounter between the deaf couple, the Hialeah police, and the mother-in-law, the Hialeah police again did not provide qualified sign language interpreter services to ensure effective communication. About three weeks later, the deaf couple was finally able to obtain a court order and was reunited with their baby.
“As this case shows, not communicating effectively with an individual who is deaf or hard of hearing can have disastrous consequences,” said Nancy Bloch, NAD Chief Executive Officer. Bloch also said, “Equal access and effective communication are critical when people need to interact with law enforcement. This case demands remedies to ensure that what happened to this family never happens again.”
The complaints request the United States District Court to declare that the City of Hialeah and Palmetto General Hospital violated the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and award money damages to Ms. Cuevas and Mr. Phillips. In addition, the complaints allege that the Hialeah police department violated the couple’s constitutional rights to due process
Hat tip to Margaret for alerting me to this memo. MZ
P.S. Apparently this isn’t an isolated case. Mind boggling MZ
This article leaves me flabbergasted.. that the police department would permit a manipulative hearing relative use their facilities to conduct a serious miscarriage of justice. Hello??? We are talking about the law and order.
This sounds like a perfect recipe how to get a baby, free of charge. You want to kidnap a baby from a deaf couple?
A very easy solution: Call the police and claim that the deaf mom is a danger to herself. The mother gets committed involuntarily to a hospital for a psychiatric evaluation where she gives birth shortly afterwards. For whatever reasons, after the hospital, the couple visit this sick mother who again sic the police on her, alleging that she would harm herself. As a result this poor woman is confined involuntarily again and losing the custody of her baby for three weeks.
Twice the woman is declared psychologically competent and of no danger to herself. The police refuse to let the woman have her baby back… due to two involuntary psychiatric hospitalizations, both created by this very same woman who stole her baby.
This sounds like a good novel based in a communist country as Soviet. Nope, it happens here in America. All because the police, for whatever reason, don’t bother to communicate with deaf parents. Do they think deaf people are mentally retarded with no rights?
This is too frigging unbelievable
Kudos to NAD for going after these idiot people who deprive this woman her rights. By the way, hasn’t the hearing grandmother been charged for ‘filing false claims’? If not, how come?
That mother in law deserves the award for the Worst Mother in Law of the Year Decade Century : X
MZ
From NAD:
December 21, 2007
NAD Files Complaints Against Palmetto General Hospital and the City of Hialeah, Florida
Silver Spring, MD – The National Association of the Deaf (NAD) and the Law Offices of Matthew W. Dietz, P.L., filed two complaints in the United States District Court in Miami, Florida, against the City of Hialeah, Florida, and Palmetto General Hospital alleging their failure to provide qualified sign language interpreter services to ensure effective communication with Cynthia Cuevas and Erik Phillips, a deaf couple.
The complaints allege that when Ms. Cuevas was eight-months pregnant, her mother-in-law called the police and reported that the deaf couple was having a verbal dispute and that Ms. Cuevas did not care for herself or her unborn child. Without a sign language interpreter, Hialeah police were unable to communicate effectively with the deaf couple. Instead, the Hialeah police took Ms. Cuevas to Palmetto General Hospital for an involuntary commitment. The psychological evaluation determined that Ms. Cuevas was not a threat to herself or to others.
Two days after her admission to Palmetto General Hospital, Ms. Cuevas gave birth to a healthy baby boy by cesarean section. Five days later, they were discharged from the hospital. The complaint against Palmetto General Hospital alleges that the hospital failed to provide qualified sign language interpreter services to ensure effective communication with the deaf couple during the seven days that Ms. Cuevas was in the hospital.
“Hospitals are required to provide qualified sign language interpreters when necessary to ensure effective communication for appropriate diagnosis, effective treatment, informed consent, quality health care, and discharge information,” said Michael Stein, an attorney with the NAD Law and Advocacy Center. According to Matthew Dietz, co-counsel for the deaf couple, “Discrimination against the deaf is systemic in Florida. It is difficult for a person who is deaf to find a doctor or a hospital that is willing to provide a qualified sign language interpreter to ensure effective communication – and it is dangerous for both the medical professional and the patient who is deaf not to have a clear understanding of the medical procedures.”
The complaint against the City of Hialeah alleges that, when the deaf couple and their baby left the hospital, they visited the mother-in-law who refused to let the deaf couple take their baby home. The mother-in-law later called the police and reported that Ms. Cuevas wanted to harm herself, the baby, and others. Again without securing a qualified sign language interpreter to ensure effective communication, the Hialeah police took Ms. Cuevas to another hospital for another involuntarily commitment. This psychological evaluation also determined that Ms. Cuevas was not a threat to herself or to others and she was discharged.
The complaint also alleges that the deaf couple received assistance from the Legal Aid Society of Miami to ask the Hialeah police to help them get their baby back from the mother-in-law. Hialeah police refused to return the baby to the deaf couple without a court order because the Hialeah police had transported Ms. Cuevas to the hospital twice for involuntary commitment. During this encounter between the deaf couple, the Hialeah police, and the mother-in-law, the Hialeah police again did not provide qualified sign language interpreter services to ensure effective communication. About three weeks later, the deaf couple was finally able to obtain a court order and was reunited with their baby.
“As this case shows, not communicating effectively with an individual who is deaf or hard of hearing can have disastrous consequences,” said Nancy Bloch, NAD Chief Executive Officer. Bloch also said, “Equal access and effective communication are critical when people need to interact with law enforcement. This case demands remedies to ensure that what happened to this family never happens again.”
The complaints request the United States District Court to declare that the City of Hialeah and Palmetto General Hospital violated the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and award money damages to Ms. Cuevas and Mr. Phillips. In addition, the complaints allege that the Hialeah police department violated the couple’s constitutional rights to due process
Hat tip to Margaret for alerting me to this memo. MZ
P.S. Apparently this isn’t an isolated case. Mind boggling MZ
December 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
MZ, I think it is first history of NAD that they are suing for Police and Hosptial without provided interpreter, along with mother in law. I am sure they will never seen her, again. I think mother in law have crazy idea that baby’s mother is unfit mom. Give me break!
Glad they won the case!
December 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
What special relationship did Cuevas have with NAD got them to help? I’ve been told dozens of similar cases happening in 18 states were reported to NAD and they did nothing till just now.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
MZ,
I am really care about anything with the deaf couple if they are not married. Or something they will married .. never will want to visit their house, ever again!
I am really feel mixed about their go through difficult. I have kind of similiar my case with Hosptial over 17 years ago. I have not spoked my older sister for long time. she did to me in diffrence of way she was tell nurse to keep eye on me. I feel so uncomfortable.
I still glad They got their son back. My tear was not thrilled after I read and sent you. I am
sick of hearing parents mistreat or it is not acceptable of these allegation by mother in law and police handle baby to mother in law.
I am flabbergasted after I read the article. I decide to foward a email to MZ,
I think MZ is great helpful and feel the case is isloated.
Richard,
Can you give me a article of the 18 case. Could you please? I would love to know what is going on with 18 case if the NAD did not help them at all? Did they lost their custody. Please foward to me.
Deaf Pixie aka Margaret
December 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Can you update to add the date of the NAD filing?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
That was inadvertently omitted by mistake. Thanks for pointing this out, Jamie
Release Date: December 21, 2007
Richard, you will need to ask NAD Law Center this. However, with limited funding, they aren’t able to accept many cases. They did get a terrific lawyer recently, so they are able to handle a heavier caseload.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Sickening. Probably a small town where the law enfrocement is ignorant of ADA laws. It is frightening to live in those places.
More frightening is relatives thinking a deaf couple incapable of raising children and using law enforcement to do their bidding.
Similiar incident happened in another small town in Florida some 10 years ago. A mother in law called CPS and CPS took 3 children from the couple, but instead of giving the children to their grandmother, they put them in foster homes. It appeared the grandmother assumed CPS would give her the children. I think after a year or two, the couple finally got their children back. The grandmother made claims that the children were abused by being forced to sign and not “allowed” to speak in their natural language in addition to questionable capablity to raise the children even after having raised the first two successfully. Because she called CPS after the 3rd child was born, I came to believe the idea was suggested to the grandmother by somebody.
Someone I knew had a recent situation similiar to this…this couple have a 5 month old hearing baby. Her pedriatician inquired the couple about sending the child to a speech therapist to ensure her developing speech. The couple advised the good doctor it was not necessary – that she will acquire language just fine just like many of the children of their friends have. The pedriatician became upset and actually called CPS and made abuse allegations – using speech deprivation as abuse. CPS came for a visit. I am appalled CPS even bothered to come and visit. Phoenix is a huge metro area with a large deaf population. CPS should know better than to waste time paying a visit to a deaf couple who has a hearing baby. Fortunately they had prior cases like that and dismissed the allegations. I think they went just to make sure they had proper equipment such as baby cry monitor, safe environment, check the child’s room, etc. Still….on principle, the CPS should not even gone. This couple changed doctors and the new one was not at all concerned about speech development – heck, she’s only 5 months old!
December 26th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Cy, really? Do you have a link to this FL case? Were the CPS ever held accountable for abusing their power?
Being a native of FL, I can tell you the CPS there stinks big time. They think nothing about violating the parental rights, not just the deaf but also hearing parents. Justified they earned a bad reputation for being overzealous. Even the hospitals are wary of CPS.
I would love to see the statistics showing violations of deaf people’s parental rights. My first question is why the CPS aren’t provided training on the rights of deaf parents?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Cy and MZ,
I was stunned and really hard to beleive why CPS took 5 month old and force baby is only 5 month old when Dr want their reference for speech therpist while baby was 5 month old. How can they mistreated as wrong information about deaf parents. I cannot understand everything in the world the doctor’s behavior were abused on speech therpist.
I assume the doctor feel gulped after changed new doctor. I know it is very isolated case. I cannot understand why CPS are not provided training as their rights.
Hard to believe!
December 26th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
MZ, I believe NAD got involved with that case involving the deaf couple and the 3 children. It was featured in a deaf publication – I can’t seem to remember name of the publication…Deaf News? Silent News? The paper ran the story twice.
I’d indeed like to know if CPS was ever investigated for their role in taking the children without due process. It was a small town on the far northwest corner of the state, near Lousiana line. Hick town. If anyone remembers the case, would be nice to give name of the county, name of the town, or name of the family so the case could be googled up, perhaps?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Deaf Pixie,
The tragedy is the case with the 5 month old baby is not an isolated case! It happens all the time!
December 26th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
I think some of us need to get together and get funding so we can start compiling statistics on this. Once we have those statistics, we can go public with this and say, ‘Look, this has to stop. We are perfectly capable of raising children!’ … We also can start filing class action lawsuits against the police and CPS.
NAD can’t do it alone – they need our help.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Cy,
My daughter, Lilly did not learn speaking until 3 yr old and sent her to speech therapist before she went to preschool. I was not alarm after I thought she was deaf. but just funny.. I keep say Lilly learn a words 2 year old. she learn fast when she can signed. but not speaking is not big issues for us. Aware of that kids sometime will pick up at school.
I know I could not beleive about 5 month old. How dumb??
December 26th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Agree with Deaf Pundit’s comment is make sense!
December 26th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
I agree with Deaf Pundit.
We need to do something to educate the CPS to work with each state representative from the “disability” office in this nation.
White Ghost
December 26th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Oh, by the way… I think the deaf in Florida should hold a protest march in that city, protesting the treatment of CPS and the police.
You WOULD get a TON of media attention on this one! But better check with NAD to get all of the pointers to talk to the media about before doing this.
December 26th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Well, Deaf Pundit, so, that means a deaf compliant(s) *WILL* have to speak with medias. I think supportors of a deaf couple(?)going to be lots of drudge to arise onto the medias.
White Ghost
December 26th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
The deaf couple does not need to speak to the media. Only need a few leaders/supporters to speak with the media.
I coordinated a local protest here and the mother never spoke to the media. Her supporters did, though. It was VERY successful, and got on CNN. And the mother won the case because of the lawyers and pressure from the media.
So I know it can be done.
An article was written on the protest I coordinated.
http://www.ragged-edge-mag.com/1102/1102ft3.html
and
http://www.cochlearwar.com/newsflash/003a.html
December 26th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
This is NOT surprising! It happens all the time everywhere. It is just the tip of iceberg. I have seen some cases where hearing families tried to take away hearing babies from deaf parents. It is pure form of AUDISM!!!
Blame it on AG Bell for the mess since 1880!!!
I just saw the news today about a book coming out claiming that Bell stole the telephone invention from another guy.
Oh! This gets interesting as I did make video on May 14, 2006 claiming that Bell stole it…
The deaf has been sleeping dogs too long! It is time to kick ass and get results!
After 40 years in social services, nothing surprises me anymore! about domestic violence, abuses, police harrassment, legal manuevers by lawyers and hearing people against deaf, and more to come!
=)
December 26th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
oops this didnt get link to video here it is
http://youtube.com/watch?v=taaFwelx4Ww
December 26th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
I know of a story about a hearing woman whose mom was deaf and how her aunt stole the baby from the deaf mom. She grew up to be bad social worker trying to make deaf lives miserable and she practiced audism. It happened in Boston, Massachusetts in the 1940s… *sigh* what else can I say?
December 26th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Oh dear! I’m glad that couple got their baby back.
DCF (like CPS in some of your area)in CT is also one of the worst of all. They really don’t understand the Deaf culture very well. Once, I heard about the couple in one of the big cities in CT lost their four kids due to “abuse” which was not the case. The neighbors in the apartment complex called the police about the noises upstairs. They suspected there may be abuse going on there. At first police did nothing but the neighbors insisted they do something or they’ll call DCF. Sure enough, the neighbors or police (I can’t remember which) called DCF. The kids were suddenly taken away for no apparent reason. There were no interpreter present. The police and DCF never bother to call for an interpreter to communicate with deaf parents. It took them a long time trying to get their kids back. I don’t remember how long it took them to get their kids back. Top of this, I was stunned the DCF never bother to have the kids checked by a doctor to determine whether they were abused. Eventually the police and DCF found out how the noises were made. The deaf couple made the noises by stomping their feet to get each other attention, even bang on the wall, etc.
There were more horror stories about both Deaf parents and/or Deaf kids everywhere in CT before DCF finally hired one Deaf DCF social worker last year or one and a half years ago. Yes, I’ve met her. She seems to be nice. The reason she decided to become DCF social worker because she had seen and been hearing lots of horror stories what happened to the Deaf parents. She wants to end the misconception and misunderstood from now on. She works exclusively with Deaf (for both parents and kids as well) cases only.
Obviously, most of DCF (CPS or DCYS) social workers really don’t know how to handle or deal with the Deaf people. Even the worst part is they sometimes request the wrong kind of interpreter because there are some low function Deaf people who rely mostly on CDI (Certified Deaf Interpreter) along with a regular RIT interpreter.
I could go on a long list about the courts right here in CT. They really suck at getting the interpreters. They except us to call for one, not them!
Same went to the hospitals years ago BUT not anymore because they would be fined $25,000 if they don’t call for an interpreter or even refuse to get one. All hospitals know one sign is interpreter, so they immediately call for one.
Misha
December 26th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
AUDISM is hurt in Deaf community that reason.
No change for long time likely Wisconsin for long time and Check on Jack’s eye story about two couple are limit educated. It was about their stories on Jack’ eye are quiet very common for deaf couple or whatever you name as single mom without husband.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=693308
http://jackeyes.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/fight-for-the-right-to-love-part-two/
I hope it helped you alot similiar .. They failed to provided by court and CPS, etc…..
I want everyone send to Florida police and hosptial for failed. I am glad they found a solve after suing Hosptial and Police for not allowing them to take their son.
I’m sure they are relieved for got their son back!!
I have heard alot about 1940′s, to current date.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
“They did get a terrific lawyer recently, so they are able to handle a heavier caseload.”
Perhaps so. I just fired away a question regarding jury duty and did get a response with suggestions on what to do and to contact them if need to.
This is very typical ANYWHERE. My family was subjected to what I call “witch hunt” years ago. My kids (CODA) still bears scars to this day. Even I was shocked to have it happened to us (We’re college educated deaf people, for christ sakes! I with two years of college education and my husband graduated from a hearing state university). Funny thing, at court, they were skeptical that my husband had a degree (Don’t ask why it was brought up in the first place, it should never have been an issue.) My lawyer asked my husband to bring his degree to the office, he saw it and smiled. It was enough to convince him that we were victims of harrassment and that we were treated wrongly. IT’s a long story, I don’t know if I will ever share it. Bascially, our boys were taken away from us for a short time. We fought and got our boys back. We were harrased by cops in a small town. It was a horrible experience, to say the least. Eventually, some cops approached us and apologized for their ignorance of deaf people. But, I agree..something has to be done. We need a watchdog group. We need someone to follow these cases. There are people out there who think deaf people have no business raising families. My parents are deaf and I take pride telling people that my deaf parents are the greatest parents on earth!
December 26th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Yeah, it is not uncommon, it happens and it can happen to any deaf parent.
We are in the process of planning a KODA conference, I think it is something that should be brought up at the conference on how to educate CPS, police and other involved parties about deaf parents and their families.
It is a very fine line, there are some deaf parents who do abuse their children and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, what we need to do is to make sure that CPS knows the difference, understands deaf parents/koda issues and all that so that they don’t immediately assume that all deaf parents are neglectful or abusive or whatever.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Deaf people are an ethnic group that is the most misunderstood by hearing iggorants. A website called “Topic” based in California has as of December 26 run and article, “Deaf People Demand Right for ‘Designer’ Deaf Children”. As of 8:40 p.m., it has over 320 comments where deaf people, myself included, can discern a deep sense of hostility of hearing commenters towards Deaf people. After reading the first three pages, I threw into the towel. The link can be clicked as follows: http://www.topix.com/tech/2007/12/deaf-people-demand-right-for-designer-deaf-children
Deaf Pundit, I agree that funding and compiling would be a good start.
Deaf Advocate, yes, you are correct that about Bell’s cheating. From another source, it is my understanding that the first inventor of phone was an Italian, but he did not have his work patented. So I do not know who first invented — the Italian or Mr. Gray. Bell’s name would have been eclipsed and his AGB organisation would not have been formed. Fate works funny, n’est-ce pas?
Dec. 26 at 8:52
December 27th, 2007 at 12:58 am
JUST ASK ME, E-MAIL ME AND ASK ME ABOUT MY OWN MOTHER-IN-LAW. TRUST ME, IT IS TOTALLY WRONG FOR THE GRANDMOTHER TO SIC ON HER OWN DAUGHTER THE POLICE TO TAKE THE KIDS AWAY. IT IS A LONG STORY ABOUT MY MOTHER IN LAW, AND VERY COMPLICATED. IT’S SICK AND IT’S SAD, AND IT TAKES AWAY OUR RIGHTS. GRANDPARENTS AND IN-LAWS ARE THE WORST OF THEIR KIND WHEN THEY DO THAT…JUST COMMENT TO ASK ME AND EMAIL ME AND I’LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING. HEARING PEOPLE DO THINK DEAF CAN’T DO IT AND COMPLAIN THAT ASL COULD DELAY HEARING KID’S SPEECH AND EVEN CAUSE THE CHILD TO BE UNDER-EDUCATED. I WISH THERE WERE MORE LAWS TO PREVENT THIS KIND OF AUDISM.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:30 am
John Critser,
I agree with you about people have clueless about CODA kids can learn speech and talk around with hearing kids. What is big difference between 5 month old baby was removed because of not speaking. 5 month old did not deleveloped until 2 years old. Simple words. How can they mistreated to deaf parent to remove child because of that. and other mother in law have no right to remove baby or child if they are in hosptial without interperter.
They are violated,too. MOther in law clueless about deafness. Of course,they put you into as Audism. Self-Estseem on deaf parent(s) will fight and worn out and stress out everything.
I hope they are relaxing after sued the hosptial and Police.
December 27th, 2007 at 9:00 am
I agree with Deaf Pundit. I would join the crowd.
I had seen several grandmother stealing babies from their deaf mothers in the past. The grandmother stole a baby boy from a deaf mother without giving her a chance to learn the parenthood skills in the 1990′s in Washington state where I lived. That grandmother gave me some headaches! Sad to say…. The deaf mother passed away in October of this year from the diabetes complications.
December 27th, 2007 at 10:35 am
I would have to blame NAD for not doing their job in educating law enforcement agencies throughout USA which was why these things are ongoing with lack of communication between law enforcement and hearing impaired community.
NAD is supposed to be advocacy to deaf and hard of hearing people and I don’t see them doing their job to go out and EDUCATE hosptials, law enforcement agencies, fire departments, etc. on how to communicate with deaf and hard of hearing people and how to obtain sign language interpreter.
This is the 21st century, come on! Wake up NAD and do something about it!
December 27th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Deb Ann,
RIGHT ON!! I believe Grandmother was kidnapped their son and lying to police Department. I feel grandmother think deaf couple cannot take care.. All things it is B***S***
Off Topic – But things is working out after went to court to fight to get their son in three week. Mother pissed off that grandmother use formula. she want baby by breastfeeding. I think baby confused and confused between grandmother and mother’s fight over her son. I feel bad for the deaf couple for many reason. The formula is not the best choice. breastfeed is best beause of antibodies immunize is good for baby’s immunzine system in baby’s systems. BREASTFEEDing is BEST!
Think about between Police and Hospital failed to provied. I’m sure they learn lesson for lawsuit and award to deaf couple after settlement.
December 27th, 2007 at 10:51 am
OOps! I mean I say ” Think about between Police Department and Hosptial failed to provided to deaf couple.”
December 27th, 2007 at 10:55 am
NAD is responsible, yes, but so are all of us. If every single one of us stood up and fought for our individual rights, it would add up!
We’re all upset, angry, frustrated about the oppression in our lives. Let’s do something productive about it. Why don’t we support the Deaf Floridans in protesting against the police and the hospital, when it goes to court?
The Flordia Association of the Deaf could assist with this, etc etc.
I think this is a very legitimate thing to protest about. But that’s just my opinion.
December 27th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Second to Deaf Pundit
Deaf Pixie
December 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Give F Grade on polices. Lousy ones because they are hearings and same sterotypes they do the way. Why not setting new DEAF cops in the future?
December 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
I wish to destroy law enforcement officers.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Deaf Pixie- You are 100% right.
Again this is a story pretty complicated and there are two sides to my story. It’s just that people do take advantage of circumstances of marriage and other situations to capitalize on the opportunity to raise the child under their own roof, not giving me or my marriage a chance.
Even Deaf professionals who are aware of this situation have got it all wrong..I still have my own shoes that I walk on and I know how the whole situation transpired..both sides made mistakes, but the turning point was, I was not given a chance. Too many advice, peer pressure, family pressure, organization pressure(whom I decline to name out of respect for them), and primarily, audism.
The last marriage counselor I had WAS contracted with the cochlear implant industry, and THAT counselor told me and my wife that I STILL had a problem with CI’s saying I was against it, even though I had consented for her to have one, I had a change of heart because I wanted to save the marriage. BUT, the CI-compant contracted marriage counselor said, “No, the problem is not resolved yet, because you had a problem with CI, and I do not believe that you have come to terms with it, yet.” CAN you imagine that?
That marriage counselor should be considered as conflict of interest because there is bias- she is under contract with a CI company. Anyway, since those counseling sessions, my marriage had become doomed. It was hurting before, but those biased marriage counseling that had ties to the CI industry poured concrete on it.
I do not know why on earth I submitted myself to marriage counseling that has ties to the Cochlear Implantation industry. We live in the west bay, and all the best marriage counselors are in the east bay, or in the south bay. AND what was so ironic, is that counselor’s office was on the same floor was my father-in-law’s office (he is a doctor), just down the hall only 20 foot steps away. There were only like about 4 sessions before they stopped.
There were other issues, but this is the one issue I can share as an example. So, I urge all married couples to avoid organizations that discourage reconciliation and healing, and to avoid marriage counselors that have ties to audist companies like cochlear implantation companies. They can destroy a marriage because they ride high on a horse of credibility.
Why is marriage so important to me? It’s a once in a lifetime chance to raise two kids of the same blood by the same mother and father, and to have joy together as a family. People always look for weaknesses and faults to capitalize on and act on them, even if it destroys a family.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Hearing and dumb.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
John,
Exellent example of what the “mother in law” sometime overflapped over one of daughter or son’s mother who is one most “bitch”, she realized she is oppressing on her son’s girlfriend. Which they are not married yet and Police violated of A.D.A for not provider.
More excuse!! More excuse!! because she is crazy.. blah blah. All of things always saying B***S***! Grandmother is exaggerated about her son’s girlfriend.
Today is huge change the deaf or hearing women married or never married. Huge change from 1970′s. I have seen alot of women married second time. many different reason..
The reason why Grandmother have no right to take their baby without intepreter avaiable. Hospital and Police Department are SCREWED UP. They have no right. For three week, deaf mother suffered and crushed on her health or mental issues. I felt that Police screw up to listen what her son’s girlfriend have right to take her son back. Instead waiting for court’s award for three week..
I have been thought about what they conversated and found that police are faulted for allowing the grandmother and cause more. Both are cause the mess up of their personal life is raged. frustrated .. Not crazy.. she is cried for over her own son. Grandmother is have no right to keep baby.. I consider that she is kidnapped! Finazled the words, I think she is not nutty professional grandmother?
Of course mother often cried over baby. It is not meaning mother is crazy. Deaf or Hearing Mother have a grievences or overprotected over their own child(s)..
Abolutely!! I agree with you about CI. Specifially it was wrong information between hearing loss who interesting CI. it is fine with me. But for Hearing parents have a
son/Daughter who abuse their ear canal to use CI inside. It is not always working,well!
The reason why Grandmother have no right to take their baby without intepreter avaiable. Hospital and Police Department are SCREWED UP. They have no right. For three week, deaf mother suffered and crushed on her health or mental issues. I felt that Police screw up to listen what her son’s girlfriend have right to take her son back instead of three week..
Mess up with between forumla and breastfeeding for baby would be confusion,too. Judge will be probably pissed off but the statement did not say about Judges award? what did the judge say??
I am curious about Judge say to Grandmother.
Of course, Any of Stepmother or Mother often cried over baby. It is not meaning mother is crazy. Deaf or Hearing Mother have a grievences or overprotected over their own child(s).. Stepmother can be replace if mother gone of something it is very rare.
I have been thought about what they conversated and found that police are faulted for allowing the grandmother and cause more. Both are cause the mess up of their personal life is raged. frustrated .. Not crazy.. she is cried for over her own son. Grandmother is have no right to keep baby.. I consider that she is kidnapped! Finazled the words, I think she is “nutty professional grandmother.” It is more likely Grandmother is crimial history. Need to send her jail for kidnapped the baby.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
John,
Oh,Goodness! you must have a good hot topic lately!
Please email me .. Here is DeafPixie@gmail.com
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 am
Ralph Wiggum…
The pen is really mightier than the sword, as you have proven here….