seems alot of old baggage from various places is getting dumped into this picture

when my family has a disagreement and conflict and emotions get really heated – we agree to take a couple of steps backward – calm down and breath and then ask if we can start over

wondering if it is time to just start over and anew

it is clear that DeafRead is precious and important to all of us

it is clear that DeafRead is getting used and abused (and/or allowing itself to do so)

wondering if we try to start anew and ask ourselves – is my not blog / vlog / or comment designed to mock, ridicule, or abuse a group of people – if so, i would ask u to find another place for such ill play

if any of our next blog / vlog / or comment is designed to assert a stand, opinion, share an experience or point of view – even if contrary to my own – i would welcome it if it can be done respectfully and fairly

right now there is ALOT of hitting below the belts

and a ton of urban legends seem to be emerging

i have never seen any blog / vlog that advocated for an ASL ONLY education for deaf kids

i have never seen any blog / vlog that advocated for the exclusion of Deaf people who were oral or use CI from the Deaf community or DeafRead

i have seen comments by bloggers / vloggers that are inflamatory, mocking and mean

i have seen some people sign CI in a way that is disrespectful and labels the person instead of the device or the CI industry or the specialists

i have seen some people make derogatory and offensive remarks about Deaf culture and ASL

i think what some folks are calling for from DeafRead is “to gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance” (G. Washington)

what we now seem to have emerging on DeafRead is an UNcivil war so i will close with a quote from Abraham Lincoln closing his first inaugural address and the onset of the Civil war

“I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”

let us remember the better angels of our nature and type / sign carefully

peace

patti durr

Some of the participants in this debate believe that they have a “free speech right” to participate in Deaf Read. No they don’t.

If they had that right, that means they could take Tayler to court and sue him to force them to allow to participate. They don’t have that right.

It’s up to Tayler to decide whether he wants to operate Deaf Read like a newsstand, or an aggregator, or like a meeting in an assembly hall, or whatever. It’s HIS RIGHT to decide.

#68, you’re the one doing the us vs. them thinking. I was simply referring to the couple of people who were commenting here and pretending like they won they debate. They didn’t.

Who’s forcing Deaf Read to present material you happen to consider objectionable?

Why don’t you deal with the “deficit thinkers” directly, rather than attempt to have Deaf Read remove or disallow them?

And what argument? It was a firestorm and I didn’t start it, DE.

And my goodness, aren’t you one for “clarification” of more rules.

If people do not want to help you offer your ideas to the public, then you have to do it on your own, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Anybody with a good pair of eyes can read what happened on the blogosphere. I got sharp eyes, too, ya know, no amount of sugar-coating is going to explain what I read with my own eyes.

I still believe John Egbert needs to admit to his lack of control over his anger and make an apology to DeafRead readers, not so much to the blogger at whom he was so angry that he called for censorship but to those who’d trusted his integrity and leadership. His cred is not so good right now, and any amount of others covering for him doesn’t
do an ounce of good for the D/deaf community.

What lies are you talking about?

Please inform us, since apparently, the initial issue was about censorship, then it was about deficit thinking, and then it was about John not being able to read very well, and now it’s once against about “lies.”

Except you added at the end about some “bloggers are exploiting this opportunity for various aims, including financial gains.”

Looks like we’re back to censorship, once again.

And while at, why don’t you tell who you’re talking about, since you apparently know everybody’s financial motivations behind their blogs.

Pretty please with honey on the side?

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Paotie

I can understand that “there are some people still disturbed over John E.’s censorship article,” and that is THEIR issue!

I will use this same sentence and comment but in a reversed situation: “There are some people still disturbed over” constantly blatant lies about ASL, Deaf culture, Deafhood, Deaf, etc with an intention to mislead readers into believing that those are true, and to cause harms/damages toward our cause. Those bloggers tend to use assumptions and myths to create such misleading interpretations about “Deaf people.” Those bloggers do not look at bigger pictures, but instead, they always focus on “gaps and weakenesses” and used them to attack on “Deaf people.” They said they do not care about Deaf culture, etc etc. If it is true, then why are they always watching us, writing about us, and attacking us?

Now that we are being empowered by the term: “deficit thinking” which gives us a new perspective toward those “deficit thinking” behaviors, those bloggers and their anti-ASL-Deaf proponents are using “censorship” as a strategy to “diverting attention away from” the true fundamental issue: DEFICIT THINKING.

I do not know what you think the Deafhood proponents’ opportunistic aims are all about, but I am glad to go into discussion about “deficit thinking” and it’s more worthy to discuss about than to discuss about something that will never happen anyway, and to discuss about unproven speculations about “opportuntic aims.”

I did notice that some of those bloggers also are exploiting this opportunity for various aims, including financial gains. Very typical.