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		<title>By: ALAN JEFFERS</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/09/14/bahls-verdict-guilty/comment-page-2/#comment-3935</link>
		<dc:creator>ALAN JEFFERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaatttttt ?? judge or jury dont believe bahls  i suggest why not make a movie show drama  what will deaf and police do on viedo so we can show them what is right or wrong and show example like police lack commucation and abuse the deaf  make a movie so it will good show everyone make a picture that deaf is not Guily so for future jury and judge will understand Deaf culture will be better and ADA LAWS will involved with it because it will be good for them understand the right laws  for example if there is wrong way  if deaf got honest and judge said GULITY  and Deaf got mad and thought if there is long time sentence it would be hungry strike to death in prison &quot; and closed their commucation with guard  order them to sign langauge that police dont understand sign langauge if there is deaf out of mind as Deaf power beat their ass as hungry strike &quot; how will mangerment with deaf prison person with out of control with guard as full stubborn &quot; like gallaudet u is hungry strike wanna out of jane f make a picture like deaf prison ???? also it will show movie  how commucaton with deaf people by deaf power lack of commucation how will work ???? sometime i heard my freind said i stay hungry until i win like mike tyson &quot;boxer &quot;  it will be very toughest laws also i heard one story  one deaf person said if something happen to me like crimeral  i will not follow the hearing laws due it weak laws i will follow my own deaf laws by my death ! that i dont care of hearing laws due fill up too many people in prison i rather death in our deaf laws dont follow the hearing laws is weak laws like give softheart and deaf laws is very strongheart to accept my punishment being our deafpower world. or if i became to homeless i walk to death toward to heaven  no matter who am I being through happen life   IS THAT POWERFUL ENOUGH FOR YOU BE STAND REALLY TALL DEAF STAND AND NO FEAR ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaatttttt ?? judge or jury dont believe bahls  i suggest why not make a movie show drama  what will deaf and police do on viedo so we can show them what is right or wrong and show example like police lack commucation and abuse the deaf  make a movie so it will good show everyone make a picture that deaf is not Guily so for future jury and judge will understand Deaf culture will be better and ADA LAWS will involved with it because it will be good for them understand the right laws  for example if there is wrong way  if deaf got honest and judge said GULITY  and Deaf got mad and thought if there is long time sentence it would be hungry strike to death in prison &#8221; and closed their commucation with guard  order them to sign langauge that police dont understand sign langauge if there is deaf out of mind as Deaf power beat their ass as hungry strike &#8221; how will mangerment with deaf prison person with out of control with guard as full stubborn &#8221; like gallaudet u is hungry strike wanna out of jane f make a picture like deaf prison ???? also it will show movie  how commucaton with deaf people by deaf power lack of commucation how will work ???? sometime i heard my freind said i stay hungry until i win like mike tyson &#8220;boxer &#8221;  it will be very toughest laws also i heard one story  one deaf person said if something happen to me like crimeral  i will not follow the hearing laws due it weak laws i will follow my own deaf laws by my death ! that i dont care of hearing laws due fill up too many people in prison i rather death in our deaf laws dont follow the hearing laws is weak laws like give softheart and deaf laws is very strongheart to accept my punishment being our deafpower world. or if i became to homeless i walk to death toward to heaven  no matter who am I being through happen life   IS THAT POWERFUL ENOUGH FOR YOU BE STAND REALLY TALL DEAF STAND AND NO FEAR ???</p>
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		<title>By: DEAF WORLD AS EYE SEE IT &#187; &#8220;The Good Wife&#8217;s (or Deaf Child&#8217;s) Guide&#8221; : A Satirical Twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEAF WORLD AS EYE SEE IT &#187; &#8220;The Good Wife&#8217;s (or Deaf Child&#8217;s) Guide&#8221; : A Satirical Twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Douglas Bahl&#8217;s guilty verdict, Jane K. Fernandes&#8217; quote : &#8221; I am not Deaf enough&#8221;, and the irony of using Baby Signs for babies who can hear, but Deaf babies are taught with the auditory verbal approach only. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Douglas Bahl&#8217;s guilty verdict, Jane K. Fernandes&#8217; quote : &#8221; I am not Deaf enough&#8221;, and the irony of using Baby Signs for babies who can hear, but Deaf babies are taught with the auditory verbal approach only. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow        *rubbing my eyes*   Kinda speechless here.</description>
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		<title>By: Jury Member of Douglas Bahl Trial</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/09/14/bahls-verdict-guilty/comment-page-2/#comment-4028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jury Member of Douglas Bahl Trial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served on the jury for Mr. Bahl&#039;s trial last week.  As you may guess from my entry to this blog, it was a moving experience for me.

I have no doubt in our guilty verdict of Obstructing Legal Process.  We deliberated for 2 days, so certainly we did not treat this case lightly.  In the end it came down to Mr. Bahl&#039;s testimony for me.  When asked why he pulled his wrist away from Officer Bobrowski, he testified that he pulled it away to write.  Although I feel that Mr. Bahl intended to communicate with the officer by writing (and therefore improving the situation), he also intended to do this on his terms.  I firmly believe that police have the authority to control these situations in the way they see fit and that citizens that resist are breaking the law.  The only way we can legally resist is in self defense.  However, when Mr. Bahl was asked whether he felt that Officer Bobrowski intended to harm him, he responded no.  Therefore, he cannot claim self defense in pulling away from the officer trying to restrain him.  This is why I feel he was guilty.

That being said, I very much sympathize with him for what happened to him outside of the car.  Certainly there was communication issues, and I think that Officer Bobrowski could have done a better job.  I do not know who contacted who first, their testimonies contradicted each other, but the end result was very unfortunate.  My thoughts are that police have at lot to learn from this situation.  But I also believe death individuals have some responsibility when being pulled over; just like somebody who can hear, the first response is to produce your identification and insurance.  Does not producing these items give the police the right to beat someone?  Absolutely not!

After the trial I found out that Mr. Bahl had spent 4 days in jail without being allowed to contact his family.  This is absolutely tragic, and if his claims are true I certainly hope he is successful in his civil trial.

One thing that was evident to myself, and to the rest of the jurors, is that Douglas Bahl is an extraordinary individual.  Even by judging  him guilty of this crime, that in no way takes away from his accomplishments as a leader and activist in the deaf community in my opinion.

From reading this blog it is quite obvious to me that there is a lot of concern for Mr. Bahl, as well as the current state of relations between police and deaf individuals.  I hope my first hand description of the trial was helpful to you all.

Sincerely,
Eric Barsness
St. Paul, MN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served on the jury for Mr. Bahl&#8217;s trial last week.  As you may guess from my entry to this blog, it was a moving experience for me.</p>
<p>I have no doubt in our guilty verdict of Obstructing Legal Process.  We deliberated for 2 days, so certainly we did not treat this case lightly.  In the end it came down to Mr. Bahl&#8217;s testimony for me.  When asked why he pulled his wrist away from Officer Bobrowski, he testified that he pulled it away to write.  Although I feel that Mr. Bahl intended to communicate with the officer by writing (and therefore improving the situation), he also intended to do this on his terms.  I firmly believe that police have the authority to control these situations in the way they see fit and that citizens that resist are breaking the law.  The only way we can legally resist is in self defense.  However, when Mr. Bahl was asked whether he felt that Officer Bobrowski intended to harm him, he responded no.  Therefore, he cannot claim self defense in pulling away from the officer trying to restrain him.  This is why I feel he was guilty.</p>
<p>That being said, I very much sympathize with him for what happened to him outside of the car.  Certainly there was communication issues, and I think that Officer Bobrowski could have done a better job.  I do not know who contacted who first, their testimonies contradicted each other, but the end result was very unfortunate.  My thoughts are that police have at lot to learn from this situation.  But I also believe death individuals have some responsibility when being pulled over; just like somebody who can hear, the first response is to produce your identification and insurance.  Does not producing these items give the police the right to beat someone?  Absolutely not!</p>
<p>After the trial I found out that Mr. Bahl had spent 4 days in jail without being allowed to contact his family.  This is absolutely tragic, and if his claims are true I certainly hope he is successful in his civil trial.</p>
<p>One thing that was evident to myself, and to the rest of the jurors, is that Douglas Bahl is an extraordinary individual.  Even by judging  him guilty of this crime, that in no way takes away from his accomplishments as a leader and activist in the deaf community in my opinion.</p>
<p>From reading this blog it is quite obvious to me that there is a lot of concern for Mr. Bahl, as well as the current state of relations between police and deaf individuals.  I hope my first hand description of the trial was helpful to you all.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Eric Barsness<br />
St. Paul, MN</p>
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		<title>By: Robert L. Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/09/14/bahls-verdict-guilty/comment-page-2/#comment-4029</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert L. Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine,

  You definitely have a GOOD POINT about how the NAD&#039;s Legal Unit prioritize their caseloads.

  You could see why the NAD get involved with the Washington Redskins stadium accessibility issue via captioning.

  Shane Feldman is a former NAD employee himself. Is that the inside access to the NAD like former employee have such an advantage over other priorities?

  The NAD board have to look into this matter. I personally know the NAD lawyers myself. Kinda awkward and sticky situation for me.

  I am with you and other deaf Americans enraged at the travesty of the judical outcome within Bahl trial. I do UNDERSTAND your feelings and questions.

  Sorry for delayed response which I have been overwhelmed with many things. I want to enjoy the sunny autumn weather.

Robert L. Mason (RLM)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine,</p>
<p>  You definitely have a GOOD POINT about how the NAD&#8217;s Legal Unit prioritize their caseloads.</p>
<p>  You could see why the NAD get involved with the Washington Redskins stadium accessibility issue via captioning.</p>
<p>  Shane Feldman is a former NAD employee himself. Is that the inside access to the NAD like former employee have such an advantage over other priorities?</p>
<p>  The NAD board have to look into this matter. I personally know the NAD lawyers myself. Kinda awkward and sticky situation for me.</p>
<p>  I am with you and other deaf Americans enraged at the travesty of the judical outcome within Bahl trial. I do UNDERSTAND your feelings and questions.</p>
<p>  Sorry for delayed response which I have been overwhelmed with many things. I want to enjoy the sunny autumn weather.</p>
<p>Robert L. Mason (RLM)</p>
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		<title>By: Wonder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move up State court and must hire specialist lawyer, ACLU, NAD as advisor demo use communicate with police officer by laws. It will good chance next trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move up State court and must hire specialist lawyer, ACLU, NAD as advisor demo use communicate with police officer by laws. It will good chance next trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/09/14/bahls-verdict-guilty/comment-page-2/#comment-4030</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering what would happen should the jury bbe full of white people in a case where the defendant is black?  In other words, was there at least one deaf juror in this case where the defendant is deaf?

If not, then is it possible that there is a mistrial????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering what would happen should the jury bbe full of white people in a case where the defendant is black?  In other words, was there at least one deaf juror in this case where the defendant is deaf?</p>
<p>If not, then is it possible that there is a mistrial????</p>
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		<title>By: SnoopyFreak02</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/09/14/bahls-verdict-guilty/comment-page-2/#comment-4031</link>
		<dc:creator>SnoopyFreak02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is RIDICILIOUS!!!!! Because i know one of my classmates who was also killed by police in Illinios back in 1996..  There were two witnesses... They were their mother and grandma... they saw him and police everything for what happening right there!!! Police shot him to death!!!!!! SHIT!!! Grandma and mother tried to tell to police that he is DEAF, but police did not listen to them at all!!!! The Police were to focus on him...  His name was Eric Smith and he was former Gallaudet student and also he was former deaflympic wrestling.. he won gold medal from deaflympic in 1993!!! that is very SAD!!!!
If you want to know the story about the incident... here is it...

1. http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/countermedia/articles/9611.ericsmith.txt

His former classmate from elementary school, I believe.. who grew up with him.. how she felt about the police and she wrote the article about Eric Smith and some deaf people who were also killed by police. Read her article:

2. http://www.i711.com/my711.php?tab=2&amp;article=66


See those police doesnt understand how to communicate with DEAF people ...    Police need to LEARN how to communicate with DEAF!!!!!!!!!  Police HAVE NO right to kill deaf people!!!!! also we need to have AN INTERPRETER to communicate with police anytime because we have the RIGHT!!!!! ADA LAW????? ARE JUDGE, COURT, POLICE or whoever ignore the ADA LAW?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is RIDICILIOUS!!!!! Because i know one of my classmates who was also killed by police in Illinios back in 1996..  There were two witnesses&#8230; They were their mother and grandma&#8230; they saw him and police everything for what happening right there!!! Police shot him to death!!!!!! SHIT!!! Grandma and mother tried to tell to police that he is DEAF, but police did not listen to them at all!!!! The Police were to focus on him&#8230;  His name was Eric Smith and he was former Gallaudet student and also he was former deaflympic wrestling.. he won gold medal from deaflympic in 1993!!! that is very SAD!!!!<br />
If you want to know the story about the incident&#8230; here is it&#8230;</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/countermedia/articles/9611.ericsmith.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/countermedia/articles/9611.ericsmith.txt</a></p>
<p>His former classmate from elementary school, I believe.. who grew up with him.. how she felt about the police and she wrote the article about Eric Smith and some deaf people who were also killed by police. Read her article:</p>
<p>2. <a href="http://www.i711.com/my711.php?tab=2&#038;article=66" rel="nofollow">http://www.i711.com/my711.php?tab=2&#038;article=66</a></p>
<p>See those police doesnt understand how to communicate with DEAF people &#8230;    Police need to LEARN how to communicate with DEAF!!!!!!!!!  Police HAVE NO right to kill deaf people!!!!! also we need to have AN INTERPRETER to communicate with police anytime because we have the RIGHT!!!!! ADA LAW????? ARE JUDGE, COURT, POLICE or whoever ignore the ADA LAW?????</p>
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		<title>By: michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth,

Is there a news link that you could provide us about the trial and outcome of Doug Bahl as I could not find anything on the internet. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth,</p>
<p>Is there a news link that you could provide us about the trial and outcome of Doug Bahl as I could not find anything on the internet. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Boutcher</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/09/14/bahls-verdict-guilty/comment-page-2/#comment-4026</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Boutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barb,

I hope you will do the vlog, so that deaf people
would watch and have a better understanding about what is being talked about Doug Bahl. Most deaf people prefer vlog to blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barb,</p>
<p>I hope you will do the vlog, so that deaf people<br />
would watch and have a better understanding about what is being talked about Doug Bahl. Most deaf people prefer vlog to blog.</p>
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