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		<title>By: Mishkazena</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishkazena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I wasn&#039;t referring to the physical punishment or the arduous ordeal in mastering the fine arts of oralism.

I was referring to those who didn&#039;t do well with oralism, however they were forced to utilize it, much to their detriment as they experienced severe communication and information access. I know few deaf people who were raised orally and they ended up deeply scarred, with minimal social skills and extremely isolated. Psychologically they were a mess. It&#039;s very tragic to see them end this way. Looking back, I realized their oral skills weren&#039;t sufficient to carry them through the hearing educational system and function well in the hearing world

You probably excelled in oralism. People who excelled in oralism tend to do well, but they weren&#039;t common, especially among the profoundly deaf people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I wasn&#8217;t referring to the physical punishment or the arduous ordeal in mastering the fine arts of oralism.</p>
<p>I was referring to those who didn&#8217;t do well with oralism, however they were forced to utilize it, much to their detriment as they experienced severe communication and information access. I know few deaf people who were raised orally and they ended up deeply scarred, with minimal social skills and extremely isolated. Psychologically they were a mess. It&#8217;s very tragic to see them end this way. Looking back, I realized their oral skills weren&#8217;t sufficient to carry them through the hearing educational system and function well in the hearing world</p>
<p>You probably excelled in oralism. People who excelled in oralism tend to do well, but they weren&#8217;t common, especially among the profoundly deaf people.</p>
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		<title>By: Platonic's Eye</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Platonic's Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself was an oralism, but I never thought if I was abused because of that but there is no cause and effect. None caused and effected me as a child. I do not believe there is any one who is real child abuse because of oralism or you mean strict displine of learning to talk? Being abused or displined you talked about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself was an oralism, but I never thought if I was abused because of that but there is no cause and effect. None caused and effected me as a child. I do not believe there is any one who is real child abuse because of oralism or you mean strict displine of learning to talk? Being abused or displined you talked about?</p>
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		<title>By: Deficit Thinking - Paralysis by Analysis &#124; Paotie&#8217;s Green Couch &#124; Crumblings of Things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deficit Thinking - Paralysis by Analysis &#124; Paotie&#8217;s Green Couch &#124; Crumblings of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] child to be educated. And since some quarters of the Deaf blogosphere subscribe to the notion that oralism is child abuse, more rescuing is needed because deaf children have a deficit (hearing loss) that needs to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] child to be educated. And since some quarters of the Deaf blogosphere subscribe to the notion that oralism is child abuse, more rescuing is needed because deaf children have a deficit (hearing loss) that needs to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was little, a deaf oral student at Montgomery County Public Schools, I had a private tutor which my mother would drive me to after school(cannot remember how often but it was probably too many for me). I would not cooperate with my tutor who was a speech pathologist who stayed home with her baby, so she slapped my face! I was shocked and felt degraded. I remember standing outside waiting for my mother to get me. I never told my mother, how can I? This was an experience I had not forgotten. I am extremely biased against speech pathologists because of my experience. Was this a child abuse? Being slapped by a speech pathologist because I would not cooperate by trying to follow her instructions how to speak? eh? What is wrong with this picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was little, a deaf oral student at Montgomery County Public Schools, I had a private tutor which my mother would drive me to after school(cannot remember how often but it was probably too many for me). I would not cooperate with my tutor who was a speech pathologist who stayed home with her baby, so she slapped my face! I was shocked and felt degraded. I remember standing outside waiting for my mother to get me. I never told my mother, how can I? This was an experience I had not forgotten. I am extremely biased against speech pathologists because of my experience. Was this a child abuse? Being slapped by a speech pathologist because I would not cooperate by trying to follow her instructions how to speak? eh? What is wrong with this picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Mishka Zena</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2837</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishka Zena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is a wide spectrum available for the deaf child. A method will work for one, but not for another one.

For some oralism suits their needs as they are able to benefit from residual hearing and lipreading. However there are constant challenges in the classrooms, but it is doable.

For others, oralism means a deprivation of language and communication as they cannot understand spoken English fully, especially if their residual hearing is nonexistent or too severely damaged to process speech. For these students, oralism becomes abuse.

Only these deaf people can tell us if what they experience is abuse or not. Only they know what works best for themselves and will naturally pick the communication method that fits their communication needs the most.

Many times this simple concept is lost to the hearing people who don&#039;t fully comprehend how much these children miss out.

That is the real tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is a wide spectrum available for the deaf child. A method will work for one, but not for another one.</p>
<p>For some oralism suits their needs as they are able to benefit from residual hearing and lipreading. However there are constant challenges in the classrooms, but it is doable.</p>
<p>For others, oralism means a deprivation of language and communication as they cannot understand spoken English fully, especially if their residual hearing is nonexistent or too severely damaged to process speech. For these students, oralism becomes abuse.</p>
<p>Only these deaf people can tell us if what they experience is abuse or not. Only they know what works best for themselves and will naturally pick the communication method that fits their communication needs the most.</p>
<p>Many times this simple concept is lost to the hearing people who don&#8217;t fully comprehend how much these children miss out.</p>
<p>That is the real tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real crime occurs when parents are not properly educated.  As a teacher/ administrator at a school for students who are Deaf and Hard of Hearing it infuriates me that parents do not get a proper education as to all options that are available to them.  I think parents are greatly influenced by the first person who they talk to.  Unfortunately, many times, parents first information about education is coming from implant teams. Many medical personnel are misinforming parents about educational issues.  That is the real crime.  It then takes YEARS of a child being in the wrong educational setting before the child gets moved to an educational setting that works for them.  We need to all understand that there is not 1 right way!!  The research is telling us that no single method is right, wrong or making a significant impact on the progress of Deaf and Hard of Hearing students overall.  Our students are still graduating college with a 4th grade average reading level.  I believe this could be significanly changed if we&#039;d all stop teaching a method and start teaching children!

Schools need to let go of 1 single philosophy and embrace a continuum of service and meet the needs of an individual child.  Isn&#039;t it after all called , &quot;an individualized educational plan&quot;.   I&#039;ve seen students with profound loss do well in an &quot;English&quot; environment.  I&#039;ve seen students with milder hearing losses benefit greatly from a more conceptually accurate environment.  The point is again to stop teaching methodology based on personal belief.  We must let go of personal bias and truly embrace what is best for the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real crime occurs when parents are not properly educated.  As a teacher/ administrator at a school for students who are Deaf and Hard of Hearing it infuriates me that parents do not get a proper education as to all options that are available to them.  I think parents are greatly influenced by the first person who they talk to.  Unfortunately, many times, parents first information about education is coming from implant teams. Many medical personnel are misinforming parents about educational issues.  That is the real crime.  It then takes YEARS of a child being in the wrong educational setting before the child gets moved to an educational setting that works for them.  We need to all understand that there is not 1 right way!!  The research is telling us that no single method is right, wrong or making a significant impact on the progress of Deaf and Hard of Hearing students overall.  Our students are still graduating college with a 4th grade average reading level.  I believe this could be significanly changed if we&#8217;d all stop teaching a method and start teaching children!</p>
<p>Schools need to let go of 1 single philosophy and embrace a continuum of service and meet the needs of an individual child.  Isn&#8217;t it after all called , &#8220;an individualized educational plan&#8221;.   I&#8217;ve seen students with profound loss do well in an &#8220;English&#8221; environment.  I&#8217;ve seen students with milder hearing losses benefit greatly from a more conceptually accurate environment.  The point is again to stop teaching methodology based on personal belief.  We must let go of personal bias and truly embrace what is best for the child.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a heck for Oralism Child Abuse.  I don&#039;t think so.  I want to tell you whatever a parent choose their deaf child accessing a oral language as they just learned or practice as same as ASL language where a deaf child stand their education on a nation but it was not judgement. That is why parent know the deaf culture where they could collect some information of deaf education for their sake deaf child.  there is a reason for education but it not political issue &quot;Abuse&quot; period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a heck for Oralism Child Abuse.  I don&#8217;t think so.  I want to tell you whatever a parent choose their deaf child accessing a oral language as they just learned or practice as same as ASL language where a deaf child stand their education on a nation but it was not judgement. That is why parent know the deaf culture where they could collect some information of deaf education for their sake deaf child.  there is a reason for education but it not political issue &#8220;Abuse&#8221; period.</p>
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		<title>By: ASL Risen</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2834</link>
		<dc:creator>ASL Risen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mishka, to answer your question: Is Oralism child Abuse?   YES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mishka, to answer your question: Is Oralism child Abuse?   YES!</p>
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		<title>By: David Kerr</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2833</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got information from Wikipedia. Please read below.

&quot;Children with histories of maltreatment, such as physical and psychological neglect and physical abuse are at risk of developing severe psychiatric problems. [5] [6] These children are likely to develop reactive attachment disorder. [7] [8] These children may be described as experiencing trauma-attachment problems. The trauma experienced is the result of abuse or neglect, inflicted by a primary caregiver, which disrupts the normal development of secure attachment. Such children are at risk of developing a disorganized attachment. [7] [9] [10] Disorganized attachment is associated with a number of developmental problems, including dissociative symptoms, [11] as well as anxiety, depressive, and acting-out symptoms. [12] [13]


[edit] Causes of child abuse
Parental choices and other unforeseen circumstances that place families under extraordinary stress â€• for instance, poverty, divorce, sickness, disability, lack of parental skills is often associated to child maltreatment. Many of these factors may contribute to family stress that can result in child abuse or neglect. Understanding the root causes of abuse can help better determine the best methods of prevention and treatment.&quot;

(End of Wikipedia)


I am not going to put parents in that debate. It is not fair for them. Most of them are victims, too.

Audist professionals who deny Deaf children&#039;s right to learn languages naturally are child abusers and criminals. No question asked.

We must focus on audists who are making money out of our own blood. We must bring them to the justice. If it sounds too harsh, what about victims who have been suffering for the rest of their life.

That is why I called &quot;Crime Against Deaf&quot; in my recent video clip.

Deafchip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got information from Wikipedia. Please read below.</p>
<p>&#8220;Children with histories of maltreatment, such as physical and psychological neglect and physical abuse are at risk of developing severe psychiatric problems. [5] [6] These children are likely to develop reactive attachment disorder. [7] [8] These children may be described as experiencing trauma-attachment problems. The trauma experienced is the result of abuse or neglect, inflicted by a primary caregiver, which disrupts the normal development of secure attachment. Such children are at risk of developing a disorganized attachment. [7] [9] [10] Disorganized attachment is associated with a number of developmental problems, including dissociative symptoms, [11] as well as anxiety, depressive, and acting-out symptoms. [12] [13]</p>
<p>[edit] Causes of child abuse<br />
Parental choices and other unforeseen circumstances that place families under extraordinary stress â€• for instance, poverty, divorce, sickness, disability, lack of parental skills is often associated to child maltreatment. Many of these factors may contribute to family stress that can result in child abuse or neglect. Understanding the root causes of abuse can help better determine the best methods of prevention and treatment.&#8221;</p>
<p>(End of Wikipedia)</p>
<p>I am not going to put parents in that debate. It is not fair for them. Most of them are victims, too.</p>
<p>Audist professionals who deny Deaf children&#8217;s right to learn languages naturally are child abusers and criminals. No question asked.</p>
<p>We must focus on audists who are making money out of our own blood. We must bring them to the justice. If it sounds too harsh, what about victims who have been suffering for the rest of their life.</p>
<p>That is why I called &#8220;Crime Against Deaf&#8221; in my recent video clip.</p>
<p>Deafchip</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s That You Said? &#187; thoughts on "is oralism child abuse?"</title>
		<link>http://www.mishkazena.com/2007/04/14/is-oralism-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-2832</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s That You Said? &#187; thoughts on "is oralism child abuse?"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Oralism Child Abuse? Original article (by Mishka Zena) and, in no particular order: &#8220;Is Oralism A Child [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is Oralism Child Abuse? Original article (by Mishka Zena) and, in no particular order: &#8220;Is Oralism A Child [...]</p>
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