vlog: Proof Someone Lied
Check this vlog   http://www.savegallaudet.org/?p=47 Community service? Cleaning up? Research paper?
As of today, a total of 13 staff and students were fired from jobs and internships.
Countless students were put on automatic probation without pay from their on campus jobs. This was done without a trial at the Judical Affairs.
Think about this: The Gallaudet employees, who assaulted, injured, terrorized, and traumatized students, breaking the university conduct policy, D.C felony assault laws, and Federal laws, are still on job, with pay. elizabeth
Correction: Someone lied. The question is who started the lie.
Update: In an e mail, Stephen Hlibok said:
Eliz~ You said it correctly, I relayed in good faith. I’m surprised and disappointed about the reprisals. Its so difficult to get answers clear under IKJ’s administration.
Stephen
email contact: mishkazena@aol.com
Check this vlog   http://www.savegallaudet.org/?p=47 Community service? Cleaning up? Research paper?
As of today, a total of 13 staff and students were fired from jobs and internships.
Countless students were put on automatic probation without pay from their on campus jobs. This was done without a trial at the Judical Affairs.
Think about this: The Gallaudet employees, who assaulted, injured, terrorized, and traumatized students, breaking the university conduct policy, D.C felony assault laws, and Federal laws, are still on job, with pay. elizabeth
Correction: Someone lied. The question is who started the lie.
Update: In an e mail, Stephen Hlibok said:
Eliz~ You said it correctly, I relayed in good faith. I’m surprised and disappointed about the reprisals. Its so difficult to get answers clear under IKJ’s administration.
Stephen
email contact: mishkazena@aol.com
December 15th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
The videoclip keeps moving down to the lower right part of the blog. In case you couldn’t see the videoclip, here is the link: http://www.savegallaudet.org/?p=47
December 15th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Well, Gallaudet has a right to fire the staff and students from the jobs. Community service, research papers, and cleaning up are only applied to the students who were arrested on the black Friday. That is the same thing what JKF said during the Washington Post online interview. Gallaudet would be in a big trouble if they decided to PNG the students.
December 15th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Huh? These staff and students were fired because of the Black Friday.
What do you have to say about BoT’s failure to follow up about paid employees breaking university conduct policy and DC laws when they assaulted and injured peaceful students? Their offenses are much worse and they are still working on campus, with pay.
December 15th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Elizabeth, you are right about the paid employees who violated the policy, still enjoy without penalty. These employees have their own separate codes of the conducts from the others. That’s sad.
December 15th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Greg, they violated their own university staff conduct policy, too
December 15th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
That video came from my website and it looks like that someone installed that video in his/her website without my permission. You will see which website the video actually belongs to. For the verification, you need to right-click on video and choose “properties” or you can check my website. The exact link is http://www.savegallaudet.org/?p=47
December 15th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
Thanks, Ron. I’ve made the corrections after someone else alerted me.
December 15th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
I completely agree with you that employees who physically harmed should be placed on suspension or terminated immediately. There is no true justice at Gallaudet University and that really disapponts me.
December 15th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
I really appreciate your immediate response and you are one of our great watchdogs. : )
December 15th, 2006 at 8:53 pm
E,
I got confused. I did not see Carl Pramuk in this video. Was it Stephen Hlibok bluffing the protestors into believing that the BOT was sincere and Carl Pramuk was decent enough to be reasonable about reprisals?
I did not see any evidence that Carl Pramuk lied.
Were we misled?
Carl
December 15th, 2006 at 10:16 pm
Thanks, Ron. Yes, this is a complete travesty of justice. Â
Carl, hmm, from watching that tape, I was under the impression Hlibok was relaying what Carl Pramuk had told him or to the BoT. Â
Now that you pointed out something that I never thought of before, I guess it is up to Hlibok to share with us if he really relayed the information from Carl or not. Personally I don’t know Hlibok well, but what purpose would he gain from misleading the public?  I’ve already sent him an e mail, asking him if he wants to respond to your question.
December 15th, 2006 at 11:28 pm
I’m so disgusted with the whole thing.
December 16th, 2006 at 1:29 am
Elizabeth,
I missed watching ABC’s 11 p.m. news fully. What I saw on the TV screen was a headline with a big question mark: “Galladuet Punishment?” So we shall not know details we see tomorrow’s Washington Post.
December 16th, 2006 at 2:34 am
It seems fairly obvious to me that Jordan is playing a game. He probably does not even believe himself that the reprisals are right or that they will “stick.”
I think he is going through a charade in order to bluff others, including members of Congress, into thinking that he himself believes he is innocent of breaking the law.
I think the biggest thing on Jordan’s mind right now is that he is trying to avoid being investigated by Congress.
December 16th, 2006 at 10:22 am
I am not happy with 13 people losing their jobs. I am not happy PERIOD. There is no healing process. BOT is a big problem for not listening to the Deaf Community in the first place. Now, they lost the jobs. Why should Steve Hilbrok asking the people to thank the BOT? I am really disgusted. Elizabeth, please keep fighting. I know it is uphill battle. thanks. No Thanks to the BOT members.
December 16th, 2006 at 11:13 am
Jean, the reprisals already started few weeks ago, but they sure didn’t tell the media that tidbit.
December 16th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
To Albert W in #15:
Yes, Stephen Hlibok really,
really, REALLY owes us a further explanation.
December 16th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
I’ve seen the video a lot of times trying to understand what Stephen Hlibok was saying.
Who is Carl Pramuk? What was his role in the protest? How did you decide to point at him that he was lying? Stephen was just relaying the message but the meeting was not over when he announced in that video (that’s when he asked everyone in that room to thank the BOTs when they leave the meeting). I am confused on that part.
From what Stephen was saying, it was understood that the BOTs would not expel students from Gallaudet University at all. Also, instead of expelling the students, the clean up/community service was tentatively planned. The subject of teachers/stuffs and firing were never mentioned in that video.
I think we should point at BOTs for failing to communicate with students, stuffs, faculties, and parents. I would prefer to wait and listen to BOTs instead of listening to any of individuals who think that they know everything about what’s going on on everthing. You know how the chain of rumor — the telling-story from first chain and last chain are NEVER same.
December 16th, 2006 at 8:48 pm
I am looking for the explanation from Stephen Hlibok. So far… NONE. What was he doing there? Should have asked T. Plummer, Ryan C, other leaders… not Stephen at all. Telling us it is okay.. telling us to thank bot members? giving them hugs? oh please
December 16th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
To #15 (Albert W),
I can understand where you are coming from with being puzzled why we should thank BoT after what they have sickingly damaged the community in many ways. I am certainly sharing the pain with you, however, I feel that no matter what they have done to us in the first place we still need to at least thank them FOR finally coming to their sense, you know? Everyone makes a mistake and everyone deserves to be thanked when having moved up a level with their own life lessons regardless how big the step they take every time they grow.
December 17th, 2006 at 6:23 am
Hlibok don’t owe us a d—thing. He was just doing you a favor by passing on a message from someone else on BoT. So drop your uncivil-protest mentality if you possibly can and leave the poor guy alone. Find someone else to pick on and tear apart.
December 17th, 2006 at 11:20 am
It seems quite possible or probable that Pramuk lied to Steve Hlibok so that Steve would say those things on camera or to the media, but in the meantime Pramuk knew that the whole idea about mild reprisals was a lie and that the harsh reprisals would continue.
December 17th, 2006 at 2:17 pm
Julie, Pramuk is the Dean of Student Affairs. Hlibok relayed the message that the reprisals were to be mild, and a lot of people believed him. I thought he was the official representative because he acted like one until Carl S told me no, he wasn’t. Was Hlibok really relaying information from Pramuk as he claimed? That is unclear as of now.
Anon, actually it is very important because incorrect information was permitted to be released. Why? That is a very important question because the Gallaudet Community was sorely misled into thinking the reprisals would be appropriate to the misdemeanors. People need to be accountable if they produce untruthful statements. If you don’t believe in accountablity, that is your problem because the protesters deserve a explanation why they were deceived. Was that a tactic from the beginning?
 By the way, from what I’ve heard and seen, this had been a peaceful and civil protest.
December 18th, 2006 at 2:09 am
Here’s my view on Stephen’s statement..he went on about how carl p (who is inside room with BOT) discussing the fate of reprisals. Seems Stephen is acting in the capacity of a “spokesperson” on his own and reporting what he either saw or what carl P passed on to him? He did in fact say that there were still issues to be discussed..so no expelling but….. Pretty tricky if you ask me. and heck why do we or anyone want to brownnose the BOTS by thanking them? Stephen should know better..no one is going to thank the BOTS until everything is resolved. What a mess.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:26 am
Stephen pointed it out that the students will not be expelled but the reprisals may be community service, writing letter, n etc.
Carl Pramuk was present at the meeting to be on the same page.
He never said the reprisals were dropped. Watch the video again.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:28 am
g, I found more allegations that Carl made these statement. Read my post this am.
Simply, that was made the day after Dr Fernandes was forced to resign. Reprisals hadn’t been done yet. People believed because of what Hlibok relayed that the reprisals would be minor. Later the reprisals turned out to be much severe, fired jobs, laid off from internships, on unpaid leave from jobs, etc. Excessive sanctions totally out of proportion to the offenses.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:03 am
Anonymous… don’t tell me what to do if you can’t write your own name. I am not listening to you since you can be Stephan. Last night there were about 10 people talking about Stephan. Everyone said the same thing. What was Stephan doing there? Thanks the BOT? It is not healing process yet. Dont sweep the dirt under the rug and move on. We have to wash the rug… shaking the rug… clean from top to bottom. Repeal the reprisal and hire these people back to the jobs. They were doing you a favor. Next time reveal your first name… not anonymous…
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